I can only speak for my area of Cork, but the drs machines work well, are usually quite busy and the amount of cans and bottles throw away as litter has plummeted.
I call that a win.
Like I said in the other post they say that everything they collect is sent for recycling.
I think that on the balance of probabilities that is correct.
I may be wrong and I'm not asking anyone to agree with me.
This is old ground, we've been over this before.
Theyre claiming what theyre claiming. Theres no essentially about it. Your fudging attempts are nonsense as usual.
Ok, we all need a drink after that, but not from a DRS can or bottle!
Well to continue your calculations.
If we assume that there are 8 hours in the day that the machine is busy, then we have
651 an hour or just under 11 a minute.
Which feels like it should be easy enough to achieve. Certainly the lads who show up with multiple large bags of returns are usually good at getting them into the machine efficiently.
Does anybody know anywhere in south Dublin doing multiple dump of bottles and cans into as cannot do single entry ones.
Make it a strong one 🍻.
I think they should extend this to other recyclables like plastic bags.
So therefore, that machine is working 8 hours a day non-stop? I find that hard to believe. Again perhaps the figures are for a chain of shops?
Glass
You are arguing with an obvious AI bot in that post.
Kelly's Spar, Newcastle, County Dublin.
We currently recycle 85% of glass and are on target to achieve the 2030 target of 90%
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I don't think the current machines would be capable of handling plastic bags.
There's an EU requirement for a % of drinks to be sold in reusable, and recovered for reuse, containers in the next few years so I'd suspect its inevitable that there'll be glass return brought in, but possibly only for very specific products; and definitely not for jars.
Too far for me to travel too.
Sorry about that, as far as I know that's the nearest to South County Dublin.
Anyone know what happens if you fail to press the button on the RVM in Tesco stores? I put in 47 cans and 6 bottles but the 48th can didn't seem to register. Next thing I know it had timed out. It didn't print out automatically and wouldn't print after the timer ran out. Does it go to charity instead or something?
I asked one of the store staff but they just shrugged and said it happens sometimes. I've no problem with it going to charity but I'd hate to think of Tesco or some faceless RVM company keeping it.
You need to escalate your issue to management level.
You have done your job putting the containers into the RVM and there has been a problem.
Someone in authority needs to sort it for you.
Anyone remember the time when we used put cans in the recycle bin without having to get management involved?
Good times.
Some might say happy times!
I also remember when there were substantially more cans and bottles being left as litter in the cities, towns and roads.
A lot less broken glass though.
Was in Spain a few weeks ago, as far as I can tell the same EU requirement that we have doesn't exist there… Funny that isn't it?
Even if such a scheme were ever to be introduced, waste collections in Spain are government run so at least they won't get any increase in costs out of the deal
Spain is introducing DRS in November. Funny that you didn't take two seconds to search for that?
It is going to be quite awkward to meet EU regs without one, which is why most EU members have one in planning at this stage.
You were involved in the discussion about DRS and waste charges in Spain on Pages 163 and 165 in January. Do you remember that?
So Ireland were one of the early adopters of something? Forgive my sock but last time that happened I think was the smoking ban…
The current waste collection system in Spain is that you leave your bag of rubbish in a large bin on the side of the street, the publicly run and owned collection agency collects the bin that night. So even a DRS in Spain, assuming it will be publicly run, will have no effect on the price of collections. By contrast, our private collectors here raised prices when they were no longer able to make money from recycled aluminium drinks containers.
If memory serves the reason we don't have a DRS for glass is because we already return over 90% of those containers so we've already met the EU standards. I reckon the next step is dairy products sold in plastic bottles, probably the most purchased drink in our supermarkets is milk and not returning it is likely keeping our numbers down
Many EU countries had systems before us, but we weren't particularly late to the party either. We were also extremely early in the world in having plastic bag taxes as it happens.
Our shambolic privatised waste collection system is a sad legacy of letting the PDs near the levers of power; but if we had a single system it would still have to be paid for; and if its costs went up its draw on taxation would go up with it. So the argument is basically pointless as you have to ignore that all collection costs money to make your claims. The Spanish municipalities were certainly not giving aluminium away for free.
The EU is introducing a requirement for actual reuse, not just collection/recycling, of glass which will need some form of collection system. It doesn't have to be particularly high %, so it may just be something along the lines of the pre-DRS Dutch/German "buy a crate, bring it back for a big discount" from large supermarkets only.
Yes the plastic bag tax was also massive for its time but it pre-dated the smoking ban. My point regarding the EU is that we need to stop unnecessarily blaming the EU for stuff they clearly aren't responsible for. We decided that the best way to reach EU targets was the introduction of the DRS instead of looking at other avenues
If you ran the both the DRS and other waste collection services publicly, as happens in most of the developed world, the profits from the DRS could be used to offset the losses made by the rest of the waste collection. In fact, because the value of the collected drinks containers would be higher you could then run the rest of the waste collection system at a lower cost to the end user
If there's one thing I know of this govt it's that they will jump at the idea to introduce some weird scheme to fix something that isn't broken, so I can absolutely see glass being included in the future. I don't see how they will increase that 90% figure though.
The DRS in most countries is run by a single private entity just like here; not public.
That the EU has a reuse requirement already legally passed and that we will need to meet it is not blaming the EU for something either. The easiest way to do that on the consumer end is add glass to DRS, but that has huge backend costs. Some EU countries already do it.
Reuse means washing and refilling. It cannot be met in any other way.
