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R132 (road from Rush / Lusk to Swords) to get cycle lane and reduced to 50 km/h.

BorrisBecker

This is great news for active travel.

The speed limit will drop from 80 km/h to 50 km/h and will get a cycle lane / footpath.

Roundabouts will be replaced by junctions and pelican crossings.

This will now be safer to cycle on and no longer will people going to matches in the adjacent pitch park their cars selfishly on the hard shoulder.

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Vic_08

More junctions, more congestion, no bus priority, slower bus services.

BorrisBecker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124416684#Comment_124416684

50 km/h as opposed to 80 km/h is meaningless in terms of time but massive in terms of the difference in collision with a VRU.

BorrisBecker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124416684#Comment_124416684

If more people cycle, which this will encourage, there'll be less people on the road driving.

Win Win.

tom1ie

Do busses use this road?

BorrisBecker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124416725#Comment_124416725

Yes. 33 / 33A Dublin Bus and 101 Bus Éireann.

BorrisBecker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124416725#Comment_124416725

Roughly 3 km stretch.

Vic_08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124416717#Comment_124416717

Typical cyclist fantasist nonsense that has crippled bus services in dozens of locations across the city, even if some more people cycle the remaining road throughput is reduced by far more than any reduction in car traffic and bus services are left to fight (and lose) for that reduced space.

BorrisBecker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124416749#Comment_124416749

The bus services from Rush / Lusk are infrequent.

At peak times there's a bus every 20 minutes. Off peak there's a bus every hour.

If more people cycled then there'd be more reliable bus services since this new cycle lane will occupy the space where the leftmost "car" lane is now. Both cars / buses will use the road in harmony with cyclists.

And before you ask. Yes. I drive. I work shifts and have no choice to drive the 40 km. These changes will benefit me, among others.

Vic_08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124416725#Comment_124416725

Dublin Bus 33, 33E, Go Ahead 33A, 33B, Bus Eireann 101

BorrisBecker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124416761#Comment_124416761

Ok, I forgot the 33B, but those buses are only every hour.

It's a bit rich counting the 33E - of which there's only one a day.

Vic_08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124416764#Comment_124416764

There are 10 buses in the next hour northbound stopping between Swords and the M1 roundabout, give over with the BS about there not being "enough" buses.

Likely more people on that one 33E that you consider irrelevant than cyclists on that section of road in one hour.

tom1ie

Ah I see.
So where are the bus lanes to prioritise PT??

billyhead

Its only 3km. Better then nothing. There needs to be safer cycling infrastructure on the road between Rush and Lusk and also Lusk and Blakes Cross.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417020#Comment_124417020

What about infrastructure for busses that carry multiples of commuters?

dam099

Swords Express also use that road for the majority of their services.

Also to the OPs point on cars parking at Balheary, most parked on the verge inside the hard shoulder not on it. Given there is no car park for those pitches where else should those using it park? I imagine it’s a shitshow right now as they’ve closed it off since Monday.

dam099

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417144#Comment_124417144

Ideally it shouldn’t but if you build 4 pitches with no car park what’s going to happen?

Interesting way of describing parking for an hour or two.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417181#Comment_124417181

Why isn’t the upgrade of the arterial road not including the installation of QBCs for the multiple bus routes that use that arterial route instead of just concentrating on cyclists?

dam099

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417181#Comment_124417181

Parking on the (unused) grass verge blocks nothing.

dam099

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417210#Comment_124417210

I’m not justifying parking on the hard shoulder which cyclists would use but the grass verge which is not suitable for cycling anyway.

tom1ie

@BorrisBecker why are you being abusive and ignorant?

Sounds like Andrew j renko in disguise tbh.

EVBusFan

I might be missing something but my understanding is this project does create a QBC (or close to one if you ignore the private vehicle left turning lane prioritized instead of the bus lane)

Here's a link to some of the drawings submitted to at the time ABP, which would now inform the detailed design:

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/system/files/materials/17999/14.%20R132CP%20Planning%20Drawings_0.pdf

Assuming the plan isn't changed from the above I'm not really understanding the pushback from a bus perspective, this looks like an overall improvement on that front, but I could be missing some local details.

On the roundabouts changing to signalized junctions, I think it's worth discussing roundabouts as a fantastic tool for driver safety and throughput under appropriate circumstances (balanced load, low lane count), but that can come with compromises to non vehicle accessibility, and I would be interested to hear from a bus driver what it is like merging onto one of those 3 lane roundabouts. Maybe I'm exaggerating but it doesn't look easy to me.

Uncle Pierre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417234#Comment_124417234

I think you might be on to something there 😁

It's the comment about the use of a public place for the storage of private property that gave him away.

Wonder how he feels about the sort of thing in the pic below? All those bicycles are private property stored in a public space too. It's a disgrace, I tells ya, a disgrace!!!!!!

Cookie_Monster

25 bikes vs 1 car in the same space...

TokTik

You’d swear FCC think they’re running Beijing with its 9 million bicycles. Feck all people cycle in Ireland. Massive waste of resources.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417595#Comment_124417595

Such rubbish. Good luck with getting a bike in the middle out if there's 25 bikes in the same space as 1 car. I doubt you'd fit 8 if leaving sufficient room for access. More than likely it's 4.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417569#Comment_124417569

That’s the thing though.
Why should there be a vehicle left turn lane and a cycle lane over a QBC?
The uninterrupted QBC with traffic light priority (bus gate) should be the priority and then a left turn lane or cycle lane whatever they want next.
The QBC should be no1 though.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417583#Comment_124417583

Yeah that poster is very transparent and angry. Very angry. 🤣

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124417639#Comment_124417639

Yea I wonder why, could it be lack of infrastructure for cycling or maybe dangerous and careless motorists? Hmm..

https://www.newstalk.com/news/cycling-2-2255527

Macy0161

Dublin Buses are limited to 65km, so won't be that affected by a reduction in limit anyway.

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