https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/13/israel-iran-strikes-defence-minister-tehran-middle-east-live
Reports stating that Israel have launched an attack against Iran
Looks like their relationship is at an end. Apparently, the two of them haven't even had a phone call in over a week.
Far too many of the "American public" won't give a shit. As long as it's not their sons and daughters in the body bags they won't really care.
It took many years of body bags coming home and nightly kill counts by Walter Cronkite to focus American minds on the sheer insanity of Vietnam.
It is Israel and the US that is murdering civilians, not as collateral damage but to terrorise the population, like Cromwell's reputation.
Exactly . Americans think shock and awe awe will fix everything . It will take another Vietnam to open the eyes of the majority of Americans . And personally I think America getting an ass-whooping is the best thing for the world . In saying that I'd like to see the ayatollah get taken out .
If you think that you think that. Doesn't make what I said wrong though. Frankly, spouting what you are doesn't or won't change anything.
Cromwell.🙄
I have to admit I genuinely laughed on reading this.. Before feeling an immediate and deep seated sadness. I can picture this and it isn't surprising. Americans seem so... Simple. The ignorance is heartbreaking, and it's destroying our way of life.
Cromwell was an important figure in terrorising Irish civilians. If you are interested, you will find many references to him online!
Why Oliver Cromwell Is Still Hated in Ireland | TheCollector
What has he to do with this thread though?
In fairness, most Americans I have met I wouldn't class as simple. But that may be the circles that I rotate in when I am over there and I mostly go to New York and New Jersey where I have family. I haven't been to too many fly over states or the south so I cannot comment about those areas. My wife was in Tennessee a few times with work and some of the loons she encountered would would curl your hair. But I have had rather a few genuine WTF moments in conversations with some Yanks, it has to be said.
Even with that, I do like America. It's a fantastic place to visit (even if it is ludicrously expensive now) and you can meet some wonderful people, and on the whole I find Americans to be very nice. But I certainly would not want to live there. For all of Ireland's problems we have it much better here.
It is beautiful in its own way that Starmer, who made all those trips to the White House, has been ditched. It may be Merz who will be President Trump's new man in Europe! Of course, Starmer could get back in by supporting an invasion of Greenland.
Starmer Will Be Sent Packing by a White House Sick of His Arrogance | The Heritage Foundation
Interesting article about some of the realities of "international law". Given that there is nobody really to enforce it, it's not at all like "normal" law which applies to individual people wherever they happen to be.
This disconnect allows the Trump administration to claim the Iran war is legal (in terms of international law) by invoking the R2P doctrine (Responsibility to Protect) which previously was used to justify actions against nations that were harming their own citizens. Of course, Trump has shown himself to be blissfully unaware of all this nuance, by pushing multiple contradictory justifications which have nothing to do with R2P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/07/world/middleeast/trump-iran-human-rights-international-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RVA.hWd1.peNHYOsjJHk9&smid=url-share
Thank you, you are the only one who clearly understood my point.
Iran killed 33,000 of its own civilians a few short weeks ago, what short memories there are around here.
Maybe, I should have written it out in more detail. The bombing of civilian targets (schools, mosques, hospitals, homes) by Israel and the US is with the purpose of terrorising civilians and soldiers. Cromwell used this tactic by razing Drogheda. Terror is used as a means of ending opposition. Your post referred to the bombing of civilian targets and I clarified that it is Israel and the US, and not Iran, that is doing most of that.
There is no proof of this no matter how many times you repeat it.
Any evidence to that effect?
Trump never seemed to like Starmer from day one, but their fallout has been spectacular. Starmer himself may have nothing to lose by publicly distancing himself from him at this point. Difficult to see how the relationship can be repaired given Trump's strong disdain for the PM.
Wow, just wow. There is plenty of evidence. The Iranians admitted themselves to 3,000 which is more than they have claimed the Americans have killed.
Did they use rifles and hand guns. A thousand a day would take a month. Are there burial sites and funerals that you can give us links to? There must be funerals and graves as 33,000 is a huge number. Is there an Iranian rip.ie website or satellite imagery of where all those victims were buried? Can you send us links, thanks. In Gaza, they have the names and IDs of all of the dead Palestinians. Those numbers are real not hysteria or lies or regime change propoganda.
I've also been throughout the Eastern seaboard (and further afield on the odd occasion) and can only report a positive experience. I have lived in Boston for a period also, and had a great time. For me, things have now come to a point where I find it difficult to makes excuses for my American friends, despite my personal positive experiences. As a collective, they are now failing humanity. I await something akin to the Vietnam war protests, though I acknowledge it's a different period in time, and it's all the more unlikely for it. I'm just hoping for decency and for the 'right type' of American spirit to reassert itself. As things stand, I won't be going to the US again for the foreseeable - I'm deeply disappointed, and that's an understatement.
There has been ZERO evidence put forth to back this figure up.
It's an estimated figure that appears to have been put into the news cycle by an organisation called Iran International, an exile satellite news outfit who later reduced that figure to 6,634 confirmed total deaths on all sides.
Another human rights organisation, HRANA, that's actually on the ground in Iran published their confirmed figure of 7,007 deaths on 23 February. There were able to do this by gathering the names of the dead.
While these numbers are shocking in themselves and are no doubt are subject to rise, they are nowhere near to this 30,000 figure that is getting blithely repeated by certain quarters.
Can you provide evidence for your assertion?
Trust me bro…. ain't going to cut it
Starmer should definitely distance himself from Trump and his admin. He can start by refusing to allow the bombers that use the UK as a base to carry out Trumps illegal war.
I think the relationship can be easily repaired:
You're claiming 33,000 not 3,000. Similar claims were made by Dr. Amir-Mobarez Parasta using his methodology.
Parasta has been linked to opposition figures, including affiliations with groups supporting Reza Pahlavi (son of the former Shah) and organizations like the Munich Circle (a diaspora network aiding Iranian opposition members, including asylum and medical support).
The 33,000 figure from Dr Parasta seems to be used by the USA to justify their invasion.
In fairness, Starmer is between a rock and a hard place with this fiasco. British interests have been attacked by Iran in the last week, so doing nothing will give his domestic enemies ammo. But sending British military personnel to "aid" Netanyahu and Trump's illegal war after saying that Britain wouldn't get involved makes him look like Trump's bitch, as someone put it the other day. No matter what Starmer does Trump will piss in his face because the man (I hesitate to call him that) has absolutely no honour whatsoever.
He can't win on this one.
I don't know who you think starmer is. He's the guy that ensured Assange suffered unnecessarily.
https://www.thomasfazi.com/p/starmers-role-in-assanges-persecution?hide_intro_popup=
He cares little for the UK. His loyalty is to Israel.
Starmer is an idiot. Pick a side ffs. Either stay out or go to war, his dithering is just pathetic. UK have a history of interfering in the whole middle east region pre 1950. In recent decades the US and Israelis have taken over on the interference and it's a complete mess. UK is much better off not getting involved.
Pope rebukes Christian Zionist leaders who gathered in the White House to "bless" Trump's war.
Compare the Christian Zionists with what Marco Rubio said about Iran. Ironic.
“War is not holy; only peace is holy because it is willed by God,” the pope said, repeating the line for emphasis.He described the conflict as morally troubling and warned about the human toll already unfolding including American service members and Iranian civilians who have been caught in the violence. Beyond the immediate casualties, he cautioned that continued escalation could pull the broader region, and potentially the world, into a deeper crisis.“If the world is deaf to this appeal, we are certain that God will hear our prayer and the lament of so much suffering,” he added.The pope also urged faith leaders everywhere to speak up for those most affected by war: the poor, the displaced, and ordinary civilians whose voices often go unheard in geopolitical struggles.“We must dare peace,” he said. “Enough of wars with their painful piles of death, their destruction and displacement.”
“War is not holy; only peace is holy because it is willed by God,” the pope said, repeating the line for emphasis.
He described the conflict as morally troubling and warned about the human toll already unfolding including American service members and Iranian civilians who have been caught in the violence. Beyond the immediate casualties, he cautioned that continued escalation could pull the broader region, and potentially the world, into a deeper crisis.
“If the world is deaf to this appeal, we are certain that God will hear our prayer and the lament of so much suffering,” he added.
The pope also urged faith leaders everywhere to speak up for those most affected by war: the poor, the displaced, and ordinary civilians whose voices often go unheard in geopolitical struggles.
“We must dare peace,” he said. “Enough of wars with their painful piles of death, their destruction and displacement.”
