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Active Travel

914

Seen as the Farronshoneen Roundabout has everything and anything to do with active travel/road changes.

Maybe it's best for it to have its own dedicated discussion for any road changes whether that be to active travel, one way systems, public transport etc.

Farronshoneen Roundabout
Passage Road
Inner Ring Road
Williamstown Road
Sustainable Transport bridge

All the above are the main topics at present

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curmudgeonly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058433016/active-travel

You can add the potential screw up of the Tramore road , where they are proposing to put a combined walkway?cycleway along its complete length. thereby eliminating both hard shoulders from traffic and right turn under passing..

Ah sure fire cock up in the making, to make a walkway on one of the noisiest roads around where there is a disused rail line parralel to it that would be an eminently nicer and safer solution.

Bob Geldof was wrong when he said "what should you do when you meet an Architect at a party?, punch him in the nose" it should have been an Engineer.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259000#Comment_124259000

we should have been building greenways from scratch, and reopening all the rail lines!

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259000#Comment_124259000

I left Tramore off as that would fall under the Waterford county topic

azimuth17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259500#Comment_124259500

I think its the Tramore Road proposal from the city out that's intended?

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259000#Comment_124259000

How much of the rail line route still exists though, from what I've seen its only little parts here and there due to land changes, homes and road changes.

Hard shoulders are only for emergency's really, nobody should be driving in them.
The turn under passing has resulted in people driving faster on the road.

Frankly any changes that discourage under/overtaking and slowing the speed should be welcomed on the road.

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259537#Comment_124259537

Ah sorry my bad

914

You are aware no hard shoulders exist on the Tramore road anymore?

They have been converted to cycle lanes, a continuous white line is present there, under the rules of the road you should not cross over a continuous white line.

Two people lost their lives on the Tramore road only Saturday, I think improvements could be made there

Valhalla90

The Tramore road now is probably busier than the N25. It’s still classed as a regional R road. It’s funding comes from the council not Transport Infrastructure Ireland TII so that explains all the cheap chipping and poor resurfacing works. The road also doesn’t have road marking lighting for night travel. It should be upgraded to a National route and come under the funding of the TII. This route should also be made a Dual Carriageway to future proof the route and safety issues.

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124260263#Comment_124260263

I wouldn't disagree with any of that, can't see if happening for a number or reasons.

Environmental impact on St Johns River and the wetlands around it
Lack of government will
Lack of funding
Lack of future thinking

curmudgeonly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259717#Comment_124259717

From the green road rail bridge to Pickardstown the line is extant except for one entrance that could easily be dugout and bridged. If there is no under passing you essentially are going to have a stop go system on a very busy 80 km road! A recipe for accidents.

914

Nice to see increased services result in increased passengers

https://www.rte.ie/news/2026/0224/1560052-waterford-dublin-train/

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124261160#Comment_124261160

yup, this is where we should be looking for our future transport needs, but we wont, the future is the private fossil fueled car!

JMcL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124260263#Comment_124260263

This wouldn't make sense on any level. What's a dual carriageway going to do when it arrives at Kilbarry or Summerville - or either side of the ring road for that matter?

The road is busy, but only really experiences tailbacks for relatively short periods of time. This absolutely sucks if you have to be on the road at those times, but even when I do have to be, I don't think I've ever been held up for more that 10 minutes. I've reasonably flexible hours so when I do need to go into the office, I typically leave just after 9 and rarely have traffic. With some lateral thinking and a backing off from employers insisting absolutely everybody has to be under their eye nine to five, there's nothing there that can't be solved.

The John's River wetlands could be avoided entirely in active travel by designating the Green Road as a greenway/quietway and closing it off to rat runners (access is needed, but block it off to cars at the Tramore road end). This links directly into the bike lanes from Six Cross and on to SETU. These do need improved, but there's plenty of space here in general to do so. Crossing the ring road on a bike isn't for the faint hearted though.

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124264975#Comment_124264975

The ORR really should have underpasses for cyclists/pedestrians, it is an extremely busy road and as you say it's not for the faint hearted in trying to cross it.

Valhalla90

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124264975#Comment_124264975

Drivers using this road going well below the speed limit is causing tailbacks and driver frustration. A dual carriageway similar to the outer ring road is all that is required. Start at the Outer Ring Road and end with a new roundabout as you enter Tramore. If nothing is done the current road is just going to become more congested and unsafe.

azimuth17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124265007#Comment_124265007

A nice idea, but anywhere I saw underpasses in England or Europe, they were extremely daunting, especially in winter, in the dark or when lights were out. Not a woman friendly piece of infrastructure.

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124265279#Comment_124265279

That's true but there must be ways of improving that, such as making them wider in order to give plenty of natural light.

JMcL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124265184#Comment_124265184

To throw some maths at it, Summerville roundabout to the ring road is 6.5km, at 80km/h this is about 4:50 (minutes) at 50km/h it's about 7:50. 3 minutes isn't the end of the world and I've very rarely had to do 50. Construction costs for a dual carriageway are upwards of €20m/km (based on a UK figure of £13.5m - you can bet it's higher here) so €120-130m conservatively. The tailbacks are caused by large volumes of traffic arriving at the roundabouts - this was very evident at 6 o'clock last night where there were roadworks at the Tramore end and a tailback to the top of Robin's Hill. A dual carriageway would do nothing to this. And all this is ignoring induced demand.

There are cheaper, faster, and more sustainable ways to do this. The bus service has improved but needs to get better: more frequency, the "next bus" times actually meaning something, needs to be cheaper - even free - and accept contactless payment as we're in the 21st century. More frequent services to the Cork Road via Whitfield (360A), and Ardkeen, have that rubbish TFI "Journey planner" actually function. If people have an easy option that gets them where they need to go cheaply and on time, then they'll use that.

JMcL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124265007#Comment_124265007

Not sure what the best solution is. An underpass on the Tramore road wouldn't work (it'd be full of water), both under and overpasses are expensive to build and need land. TII are supposedly trialing Dutch roundabouts (https://www.tiipublications.ie/media/dvsbrpmv/02_s_meade_dutch_style_roundabout_trial.pdf) but not sure what the outcome has been

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124265184#Comment_124265184

While I get that frustration, the Tramore road has seen plenty of deaths over the years. Only recently 2 people lost their lives there and as someone recently pointed out the difference in time is 3 minutes.

If you have to be someone leave 5 minutes early and if someone is driving 50km/h, take a breadth, slow down, pull back and just wait the extra 3 minutes.

Or if you are late for something, it is better to arrive late than not at all.

We are seeing far too many deaths on our road lately.

914

Interesting findings in the Waterford survey here

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2026/03/03/cycling-in-dublin-for-commuting-rises-50-as-most-residents-back-more-bike-lanes/

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124280209#Comment_124280209

Indeed

In Waterford, 86 per cent supported building cycle tracks physically separated from traffic and pedestrians, even where that means less room for other traffic.

Proof that what you see on boards.ie or facebook comments against active travel simply does not reflect reality, there is a loud minority that try to shout down changes that will actually improve people's lifestyle, Waterford city and in time improve commute times for people.

Instead these people have a car centric almost American view of the world where they want multi lane roads which they believe will improve things, but they ignore that such changes actually induce demand making traffic worse in the long term and make things more unsafe for pedestrians and cyclists.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124280554#Comment_124280554

we have to start seriously considering rail in this country, including light rail, or the default will always be the car!

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124280565#Comment_124280565

Fully agree,

Imagine Tramore connected to Waterford by rail again for example, move lots of people quickly! Nevermind more rail to other towns and citys. We need to be funding rail 2:1 over roads at the very least.

But instead Waterford has Cllr's and a Mayor who waste time talking about a silly bus on a pedestrian bridge that is not cost effective to run and will only benefit a small number of people.

Instead they should at the very least be talking about dedicated bus lanes in Ferrybank, Rice Bridge and the quays which would benefit many thousands of commuters and shoppers…not just a small amount of train passangers crosssing a bridge.

I'm not even going to get started on the outright idiotic winterville train suggestion…its depressing these people are Cllr's and it isn't April fools day.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124280576#Comment_124280576

unfortunately our political system is stuck in the ice age in regards transport, and im not convinced this will change any time soon, if at all, so i suspect, the car is gonna continue to be the default, and it aint gonna be ev's either, its gonna be ice, for the foreseeable

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124280590#Comment_124280590

Would disagree on ICE, sales stats are growing with more and more EV's being sold.

You can see more and more of them on the roads too, even when I live. 5 years ago nobody had one, on the same street now 7 homes have one.

They'll make our citys much quieter which will help improve quality of life,

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124281110#Comment_124281110

As their range increases and prices steady we will see a lot more.

JMcL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124280576#Comment_124280576

But instead Waterford has Cllr's and a Mayor who waste time talking about a silly bus on a pedestrian bridge that is not cost effective to run and will only benefit a small number of people.

It gets better. Some eejit of a councillor, who's obviously never been in the damn thing, was seriously suggesting the Winterval train on the bridge!

https://www.waterford-news.ie/news/waterford-councillor-calls-for-use-of-winterval-train-as-shuttle-bus-alternative-for-the-north-quays_arid-89229.html

Would disagree on ICE, sales stats are growing with more and more EV's being sold.

While EVs are great, there are a couple of problems. Firstly they'll do nothing about congestion as they take up the same space an ICE vehicle does made worse by the fact everybody still seems to want to drive huge vehicles which in an urban context is somewhat missing the point. Secondly, there's a major barrier to entry for anybody without their own driveway. I live in a terraced house and would have to use public chargers which are much more expensive, which means using solar isn't an option.The same applies to apartment owners. Neither of these are intractable particularly the second, but it would require taking on vested interests

JMcL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124280209#Comment_124280209

Interesting and unexpected results indeed. Also interesting to see the very high level of support for reduced speed limits which got buried - no doubt on foot of the likes of the Healy Raes and fellow travellers

Meatball.Martin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124268634#Comment_124268634

The council should put a central median barrier on certain parts of the Tramore Road. This would put a halt to all the dangerous overtaking