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red_diesel

I'm using Gemini mostly (use co pilot for day job). Find it excellent. Gets me the info I need in seconds that I could spend all day googling. Once you get a handle on the "prompt engineering" and use it to get exactly the info you need. It's become one of the most important farming tools for me. Do you use AI and how do you find it?

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I've used Dovea, Progressive Genetics and Genus in the past and found that they had an excellent range of bulls that were suitable for our farm. Their technicians were also very helpful especially for fixed timed AI.

red_diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250036#Comment_124250036

I better edit the title!

Base price

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250080#Comment_124250080

😘

_Brian

I find it good at being 80% right, once your aware of that it’s an amazing tool.

Siamsa Sessions

For farm stuff, I find Gemini presents the info back to you better than Google.

But I use Copilot at the off-farm job (academic research) and I can’t believe how easier it’s made the work. I was dismissive of it first but it’s one of the few game-changers I’ve seen in that job in terms of drafting basic reports, software code, analysing funding calls, suggesting collaborators, etc.

You still need to edit what you get back and it reads fairly flat after you get used to the tone, but for the initial kickstart to any piece of work, it’s changed the nature of the job.

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250491#Comment_124250491

what benefits do you find with gemini do the farm. I use chat gpt it’s quite good. Find sometimes it doesn’t do what I want either.

red_diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250505#Comment_124250505

I personally don't see a whole lot of difference between any of them. Open AI developed ChatGPT but Copilot uses Open AI models meaning its pretty much the same. I use M365 for the day job and use Google/Chrome/Gemini for personal/farm so as I can keep stuff seperate on the same logged in profile on my PC. I also like the Gemini app. Find it pretty fast. But in terms of the output, I don't see much difference. One thing to be careful about with the free services is that they may use the data you enter to train the model, don't for example input your unredacted CV into one. Generally to protect against this, the paid for services offer something called Enterprise Data Protection which means the model can't use the data you enter to train the model.

dmakc

I will say Google / Chrome is terrible. Cannot get simple facts straight

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250505#Comment_124250505

Gemini is the Google one, isn’t it?

I just Google stuff as normal and it seems to give results in Gemini / AI mode. If I look up stuff like medicine withdrawals, California Mastitis Test, calf swelled naval (all the usual good stuff!), then the search results seem more to the point and/or easier to follow. That’s all really.

emaherx

As a software developer I'm using AI more and more (Probably more than I should). Paid version of Chat GPT, sometimes Claude. It is useful for jobs like:

Drafting and refactoring code:
Debuging issues
Reverse engineering, hardware and software when documentation is limited API's/Serial/Bluetooth comms.
Converting between structured data formats, CSV/XML/JSON etc.
Converting unstructured data to structured for file imports.
Explaining technical documentation more clearly or just extracting what's relevant.
Writing/tidying up reports.

Like others have said, it has it's limitations and hallucinations are not uncommon, although a lot less common than now than earlier versions. I'd be slow to rely on it too much for research, but definitly check the sources at least which are usually provided as links at the end of the AI responses. I think Googles AI responses in their search engine are particularly problematic and often pure fabrications, it tends to be OK if it hits on the right search itself but totally fabricate an answer if it can't and still deliver it with confidence.

_Brian

I had an into over and back with Gemini model earlier in the week about the danger actual AI poses when it becomes a thing, what we have at the moment is a complicated fast search engine.

Actual AI if combined with quantum computing would be a formidable tool or entity or whatever it would be called. Able to essentially see through all current forms of encryption methods as it can compute so instantly. Even advanced encryption methods being worked on to block a quantum AI, it’s possible if not likely that a powerful system would still break through it as essentially it would be calculating in so many dimensions simultaneously that no man made system could block it.

Another potential issue it pointed out was the danger of what it called a “singleton”. A powerful AI that has been given control over its own power supply and information to the point that it becomes unstoppable, the most likely event would be due to competing states. If one state releases that it’s close to quantum AI, a competing state might try to jump ahead and implement a non perfect system that ends up being difficult or impossible to control.

All far out there but still issues humanity has to consider.

One last last one.

It put forward “The Ape Theory”

Humans and apes have a massive intellectual difference and we have developed to the state where apes just exist because we allow it. If humans decided it in the morning that apes were a danger for say the sake of disease we could eliminate them within a month or two. Similarly an actual AGI system or group of system would be so much farther apart than ourselves and apes that we would end up existing because it didn’t see a need for us not to, but if needed we would be in grave danger.

I love sci-fi, I find this stuff really interesting.

Escapees

Just a reminder that this is a farming thread and the question was asked in relation to farming...

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I upload my farm account Excel sheets during the year and use it to project roughly what my tax bill will be.

Also uploaded all my electricity bills and then uploaded the current offers and rates by each provider.

It went through them all and determined which would suit my usage the best.

Handy for things like that.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250825#Comment_124250825

Would it be more relevant if it ended with the possibility of AGI farming humans?
Hot topic on future version of Boards, "What is an ideal ADG for my humans?"

Seriously though the potential safety concerns of AI may well be relevant to the discussion too. Perhaps without delving to deeply into the sci-fi realms of an AGI that doesn't currently exist? There may be more down to earth issues around privacy and copyright and even mental health etc.

JeffKenna

Find it handy for grass measuring, take a picture and it tells the cover. Same with a sick cow, describe symptoms and it will diagnose. Any random medicines in the cabinet get put in and it'll tell me what they're for or anything else they could treat. Any legal letters get done by chatgpt, tax advise, personal advise, accounts go through it. It's like having a full time adviser at my side.

tellmeabit

CCan it do up a template for farm accounts, have to submit to revenue and would like to see the format of what ive to submit online before kicking off. Did it last year with accountant but can't remember all of it

endainoz

I was quite sceptical at first but I've found it pretty helpful for farm stuff, that came theory fella put out a video about how he uses it. Handy for uploading soil samples and working out what the ground needs, I've also used it for other things machinery related. Only scratched the surface really though.

Tibulus

Find it excellent for fault finding and repairs, describe in detail how an automatic scraper is not working correctly and it identifys the part to replace or run further diognostics.

Also, drafted a 10 year plan and uploaded for review. Feedback was constructive.

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250825#Comment_124250825

As much as we’d like it, farming doesn’t exist in a wee bubble, as you use AI for farming your training the system. A system that at some stage will dwarf us regarding its intelligence and reach.

While we still have free will, posters can skip across posts at your leisure without moaning 🙄

davidk1394

Did any of ye use AI for AI selection for breeding ? Uploading ICBF reports or anything like that ?

AntrimGlens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250778#Comment_124250778

You don't happen to work at the Walton Institute do you? I'm working on a project with them on AI for AI, all to do with a SMART Stud that we've built.

visatorro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124251062#Comment_124251062

How does the grass measuring work?

_Brian

It can be frustrating though.

I’m using Gemini to do coding which while I’ve a rudimentary understanding of I’m no coder.
you could be working on a specific tweak/problem and the AI will randomly make a change in another area without being asked or saying it did it. That can leave you chasing your tail wondering why things have changed.

Learning to create good prompts/instructions is really important. The more specific you can be the better your outcomes are.

Silverdream

I like using Copilot for searches and more. I haven't used Google in months, every time you google something now the first page is sponsored and often not what you are looking for.

The other side is that Copilot can be inaccurate too so you have to be careful with what it can tell you

patsy_mccabe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124253426#Comment_124253426

Don't underestimate the effect of the recent bad weather. I was there over Christmas and this one day, believe it or not, the sun was shining. I could feel my mood lifting while I was out in it.

_Brian

Another great use is simple document summary. I had a pdf online, 150+ pages and you just paste in the link and ask questions it’s great.

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124253499#Comment_124253499

Yeah that’s another great use. It save time and gives a less biased summary than what we might come up with ourselves.

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124253612#Comment_124253612

I uploaded the pdf I have of the tractor service manual. Can refer to it any time.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124253663#Comment_124253663

Very handy, I got it to make a PDF of maintenance and service stuff to keep an eye on for reference, simple enough information but handy to have printed and laminated in the shed for reference

_Brian

I spent a time making Grok and Gemini compare code and critique each others work, telling them I was doing that.
it moved things along well.

I asked Gemini was it a better coder and it gave a wishy washy answer about each being good but different and using both was a good idea.

I asked Grok the same question and it said it was definitely better, boasted about how it was better and then suggested I post a hard problem for it and Gemini so it could show it was better as “fun”. Fcuk it sounded like Elon Musk 😱