I have a feeling the specifics will be gone over in multiple sub-threads, but let's use this for discussion of the report in one neat place, shall we?
Horrible-looking link to the PDF, but it works.
Aha…I can tell you are in the know. Does that include a dozen Gripens are are we going for the good reliable Dassault?
Have we a new contender on the field to challenge the French?
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/cavs-rides-a-wave-and-prepares-for-surge-requirements-as-orders-roll-in/
Bloody interesting
So when the DIP comes out in the next few weeks ( DoDs version of weeks that is) how many years will they have added on to 2028?
The NDP has already added two years onto it.
A fixed primary radar isn't hitting Ireland until 2029 the absolute earliest
Ill be dammed they are going to give another pretend timeline tomorrow.
https://www.thejournal.ie/revised-defence-plan-deadlines-to-be-brought-to-cabinet-tomorrow-as-some-projects-pushed-back-defence-forces-6951979-Feb2026/
Ah bless, thank god there’s no security issues or threats to be concerned about.
Lads, if there is a piece of advice I could give you that I've come to over the last 8 or so months is…let it go, this is what they want, the public wants so let them have it and when something inevitably goes tits up you'll know you were right but for your own health right now, just forget about it all.
True enough, though I wonder from that will tomorrow finally bring the formal ending of the MRV, so they can kick the replacement further into infinity?
Finally someone speaking sense.
People on here debating the merits of going for Gripens etc.
So far detached from reality its beyond funny.
I have to admire the DoD in the article how they are blaming dept of finance to try and shift all the blame.
In fairness i think we all knew the game was up when the NDP update was released on a 1/2 page of A4 and the last second press conference in the curragh when they divered the Minister to the curragh for 20mins to sit in the back of a Mowag.
The DoD are masters at this stuff. They've been doing it for decades.
DDF brass come and go but the culture and ethos of the DoD remains the same.
Theres a very obvious reason as to why they weren't included in the ToR of the CoDF despite every useless survey pointing to long standing systemic issues within.
But yeah, Shannon Air Force Base and Gripens are on the way. /Sarcasm.
so the 90 odd pages of waffle and bs have been released, but have they forgotten the DIP, or did they actually just not bother doing one?
There won't be any Gripen or Dassault jets. All the production is spoken for for the next decade or so…Any clever people able to come up with a Plan B ?
well Plan A is having the infrastructure and ability to train pilots to even begin to thinking about jets.
Oh sweet Summer child..
No, Plan A is adopting the acquisition as policy and an actionable goal.
In that regard, its in LoA3, and LoA3 remains far off in future dreamland.
And to be clear LoA3 does not count as policy, it hasn't been adopted or committed to, it remains TBC.
So how long after whatever deal ends the war before we get a statement saying that LoA2 was an unnecessary overreaction and that everything is now utterly fine and everyone else is happy to lets us freeload and lecture again.
Cause sure as hell the decision has been made already.
Also, why has the department taken down the post about the strategic waffle? I doubt it was just because everyone pointed out that they used another nations helicopter as the image?
The updated DIP doc is on the website Sparky, it has updated project timelines within.
They've deleted their tweet earlier, no mention of either documents on their feed as of now, not that they are very active there anyway.
Never mind they just put it up a few minutes ago.
Was the new fixwing trainer aircraft announced before or is that new?
There's been talk the PC9 replacement was going to happen, but given the DIP, I wouldn't hold my breath.
You have to hand it to the DoD but the sheer Brazen heads on them to bascially publish the same document yet again.
They know they can get away with it and couldn’t give a feck, there will be no reprecussions for the slippage in deadlines, and we all know the “2028” placeholder means 2035 if they must be dragged kicking and screaming to buy anything, but are betting on the next government and a recession to kill of the public mention of LoA2 so they can revert to LoA0.
When Micheál Martin was asked yesterday whether he was embarrassed that we will need international help for the most basic security requirements for the EU presidency he literally said it's "not a big deal". The only non-microstate in Europe that can't provide the bare minimum protection to it's own citizens never mind VIPs.
"No big deal". Until something happens. What are they going to say then?
Something did happen.
The drone violation during the Zelenskyy happened.
The cyber attack on the HSE happened.
The subsea comms and energy pipelines in our area of responsibility are free to be located, surveyed and sabotaged.
The presence of rogue Russian and Chinese spy / demolitions ships in our EEZ went unchallenged.
Our skies are free-for-all for rogue aircraft or drones.
Ditto our seas and subsea domain.
We passed beyond the realms of the hypothetical many years ago. Still they shrug and diminish.
As far as I can see only the IT and Examiner bothered to notice the announcement, and both avoided any highlighting of the abject failure in terms of progressing LoA2. The IT focuses on the suggestion that we might adopt US style approaches towards foreign DF personnel getting citizenship (cue bullshit on social media), and the Examiner focuses on the fact that we’ve had two positive years in total numbers in the DF.
Both actual good news, but utterly missing the point. Niall from the Journal say he was briefed that the “deadline” for capability is 2030.
plan A is just another plan?
