The smear campaign against Corbyn was one of the most effective (not to mention dirty) that I have ever seen in any nation's politics.
It's a shame that there are people who would be broadly supportive of Labour still repeating the lies about the man.
Is every member of parliament a grifter now, or is it only those with the temerity to call out Israel and those who support it for its genocide?
It's a shame to see people desperately defending cynical grifters here by telling lies.
What are you on about?
Go on, play it that way if you want.
Who are the grifters you are referring to here?
Ha, you're only realising now that you're at nothing? Honestly not worth your time or effort.
So you don't know. Insightful as always.
Lol. You're around here long enough to know I never make a post I haven't a basis for making. Doesn't mean I'm right all the time, but one thing you can't say about me is that I don't make posts without having an informed opinion behind it.
And I'm around here long enough to understand what can be said about the posts of others also.
But as I said, go ahead, play the ignorant card. I'm not bothered.
Do you view everything via the prism of Gaza? Cause the electorate of the UK mostly don't.
Your Party has been a bigger shitshow than Change UK. Corbyn is just a bad politician.
Nah, I know what's up.
But this is a discussion Board, so I give people the opportunity to discuss.
I do believe Corbyn is a bad politician but it is a bit much to accuse him of being a grifter. I guess it's a cheap insult that can be thrown at any politician nowadays.
I've seen you do it plenty of times. I've also seen you use dead children to score points so spare me the virtue signalling.
If you can't be bothered to make your own point, that's fine. We can leave it.
Your Party.
And what makes them grifters? I dont support their policies but I would rather posters not sink so low to calling parties they dont like grifters without some sort of explanation.
You mightn't like him, but one thing you can't call him is a bad politician.
But he has been elected continuously to Parliament for over 40 years, managed to get to the point of leading the second biggest party in the country and after being effectively kicked out of the party he still won an election to West Minster running as an Independent. And since then has formed a new political party which attracted 60,000 members within 3 months of forming.
Not everything is viewed through the prism of Gaza, but when the activities in Gaza are a central part in the discourse involving certain politicians and the political landscape in general, I'm not going to ignore it so others can pull the carpet over it. Sorry.
I've also seen you use dead children to score points
Who's keeping score? You're more bothered with the mention of dead children than you are about the children being killed.
The actions in Gaza and Westminster are heavily linked. I am not going to ignore those links because it makes people uncomfortable to see them pointed out.
Thanks for proving my point.
In fairness, that's wholly disingenuous. They've scammed people out of almost a million pounds so they can stage their pathetic little psychodramas. To be clear, this is the only party aside from Reform UK and the far right minnows that I would call grifters. I am using the word for a specific reason.
No it's disingenuous to say they scamming people out of money. They are setting up a party, so they need money. Unless there is some leaked email from corbyn and co saying it is a money making scheme.
You seem to have a problem with that party and that has reduced you to posting unsupported allegations.
Except the psychodrama has been well documented. If you want to pretend that it's a professional outfit advancing the causes of Socialism and Gaza then that's up to you.
So no evidence as expected. Its just childish to call them scammers and grifters with no coherent arguments to support it.
He is clearly a bad politician.
Being elected in a FPTP electoral system to Islington is not indicative of being a good politician. He managed to lead Labour to a pretty significant loss against a generally unpopular Conservative party. It was an insanely poor performance. His new party is a textbook example of disorder and chaos. He is a dreadful politician.
I never did accuse him of that to be fair. I think he is broadly genuine but a fundamentally poor politician and a terrible judge of character.
I would agree, I just dont think he's a scammer, it's a serious accusation to be directed at any politician.
Even if one disagreed with him ideologically and politically, is there any reason to believe he was corrupt? The way he was smeared by the Labour Right and their pals in the right wing press as being an anti-Semitic bigot and racist was disgraceful - it was mostly because he kept criticising Israel's actions in Palestine and Gaza.
In fairness, I don't think it had anything to do with Gaza. I think it was down to the fact that anyone even thinking about taxing wealthy and the wealthy here makes themselves a target. Obviously, with Israel's genocide now in full swing, it'd be different now but at the time, I think the establishment media were just looking to neutralise the threat to the elite.
Of course you don't
The usual hatred on display
I don't think he is corrupt. I do think he is deeply misguided and frankly somewhat malevolent.
I also do think he is probably somwhat anti-semitic or at least fairly accepting of that, as did the EHRC. His utter refusal to even acknowledge that judgement does not reflect well on him and, much like Starmer, Israel's actions since then don't absolve him of his previous actions.
I don't think whatever parties think about Israel of Jews in general makes a huge difference. Corbyn lost because he was fundamentally a poor politician who was incapable of beating a fairly ineffectual and unpopular Conservative party. His utterly pathetic opposition to Brexit definitely did not help.
