have to say I have two Shannon stans and both are very quiet.
How would you rate them, quality wise?
had a heifer last year. She’s good quality very thick but not much size to her but good deep body on her. I would have her sold only for tb now I’m thinking of keeping her but not sure she will have the size. But perfect temperature to be kept. The second Stan is a bull a month old from a bb section calf. Calf has it every where size length power width. Going to be a top class weanling. Don’t know where the size is coming from as cow is not big.
That’s at a few days old calf is in a jacket since so hard to judge him.
Have you tried Loyal, you could do worse on big cows. Have three first calvers off him last year who did a good job on their calves and went back in calf quickly.
I see Bova have a new Limousin bull called Clonark Ultan, Lm 2962, a replacement for Gamin i suppose.
loyal calves are coming very handy but I’d one carry nearly 3 weeks over that was a section and I know of a few others that had the same issue.
Some nice breeding there. I see he is Myostatin: 1 copy Q204X & 1 copy F94L.
Is Gamin gone? I’ve been meaning to get a couple of straws of him. Only used him once, but got a lovely pb heifer off him that I sold incalf. Would have loved to have kept her
how did you find loyal for growth? that new bulls looks a good one in fairness like the look of him, hopefully some of his straws come up on the gene ireland spring catalogue
He died a few years ago, I think there’s still straws off him but not certain, a great all round bull.
Loyal must be a small well muscled bull, works best on tall cows I find, yeah sometimes they mightn’t be the as good as other bulls for growth, I find him very easy calved on cows, haven’t used him on heifers. Loyal breeds right good cows of Sim cross cows imo.
he's very well regarded anyway if a loyal heifer is announced in a heifer or weanling sale they go mad for them
I like the stand of drumline, thought he would bring taller caves
Have you calves off him?? Are they smaller than you expected??
No calves off him. Just looking at pictures of him he didn't strike me as a blocky animal. Was looking at the incalf records there now, have a few carrying heifers off loyal and Shannon stan.
did you look on the dovea face page
they have loads of photos of his calves
Ah ok, going by pictures of Drumline calves, they seem to have plenty of size and length. Shannon Stan is breeding very well from what i’ve seen on neighbours farms, don’t think i’d be putting him on heifers though. I’m very impressed with the Manclaux calves a few heifers here had last year.
I have only seen a couple of drumline calves, but I will try him on normal sized cows first, have a few cows and heifers carrying to stan, mostly scanned carrying heifers.
Have a few cows to manclaux, first time using him. Used roy the last few years and very happy. Tired one of the bigger cows to bb rollie to see how it goes
got some scanning there 11 in calf out of 14. 6 out of 6 heifers in calf 5 on first serve the other 1repeat. I am a bit disapoppomted with some of the autumn callers 5 of them where prided before xmas ( all pre scanned and all suppose to be cycling) only 2 out of 5 in calf and none of them showed signs of heat at 3 weeks. If I start to close the calves in the creep area during the day and separate them how long would it take it take for the bond to break?
I see Bovas new catalogue is out, a new Limousin, two Simmentals and a Saler.
It's not really the bond that matters, it's every time the calf sucks a hormone is released by the cow that makes it harder for her to come in heat, the idea is to stop the calf suckling too many times, let the calf suck once a day and it will work in a matter of days all thing's being equal.
On Bova AI latests catalogue, I see Excel LM4027 has "Limited Semen" now. I must stock up on a few. It doesn't say anything about Gamin being scarce.
anybody use the gamin son Bova Kaiser? Besto j I ever bred was by him
would once a day be enough? I could close the calves in the creep area at the back of the pen from 6pm until 9 or 10 am the next morning leave the calves in and out until 6pm again would that work? how long would you do it for if they cycle would you just stop doing it?
From what I've read the idea is to break the bond, ideally let calves in to suck twice a day for 2 weeks and this should get the cows cycling quicker.
What age are the calves
the youngest would be about 8-10 weeks some of the older ones would be sept born so not as reliant on the cows
Make sure you've no small holes they can get there head stuck in, when they are roaring for the mother, you'd be surprised where they can get there head stuck, legs slips from under them, then they choke to death.
Twice A Day suckling will bring suckler cows into heat surprisingly quick. I've done it here, by necessity rather than choice, so I've seen it work.
Don't AI them within a month of calving though. I did this with 2 cows this year and I thought they held only to find them both bulling 6 weeks later. Mentioned it to vet and he said that it wasn't a good idea. Maybe something to do with the cervix etc not being closed back fully.
Cattle get used to a routine very quickly. They'll even walk out of the shed, leaving the calf behind them after a few days. Start it at the weekend first and maybe do it 3 times a day, at 8 hrs interval. Switch to twice a day after a few days. Less drama then.
If you’re in the shed for 30+ min morning & evening that’s all the calves need. Leave nuts/meal, forage &water
The older ones once younger twice a day, it also makes herding easier, you'll have groups of equal sized animals acting in a more natural way. Agree with pasty not to serve first heat.
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