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Arsenal will have passed us in the current season anyway.
He needs to fix that quickly if he is going to keep blaming the tactics of the opposition.
Villa, Frankfurt and Marseille..we don't play them every week.
I still have huge Kerkez doubts but he has improved massively the last few games.
Frimpong the last 4 games is literally what I would have hoped for.
I'm unwilling to let myself get excited about Joe's performance...not again.
Mac is the other one. Without being class. back to some reasonable baseline of performance.
Mo was a strange one, infective for the most part but just javing him there seemed to draw some attention away from the others.
Amusing that the Red devils are on 666.
If Salah got his head straight he could build a great relationship with Wirtz and Ekitike for the rest of the season.
I always wonder if they look at the crest on their jersey and ask 'are we the baddies?'
Interesting stat, albeit a smaller sample size than the PL...
Its surprising that Bayern Munich and PSG have more revenue than us. I can understand that PSG have a high following in the middle East but where are all the Bayern supporter outside of Germany? Liverpool seem to have captured a lot of the Asian, Australian, North American and even some African markets.
PL teams figured out how to play against us?
Marseille set up perfectly for us. Very open. Very few PL teams play like that.
Yep I was surprised to see how much bigger the Bayern commercial revenue is compared to us. PSG is roughly the same on commercial revenue alone but Bayern is significantly more which surprised me.
Also the broadcast portion of revenue is way closer for non PL clubs than I thought. I had the impression that PL blows everyone out of the water with broadcast revenue but maybe that's on average and the bigger clubs in the other leagues are on par with it but the smaller ones wouldn't be?
They should follow Gaelic Football and bring in rules to force teams to play more open football and suit us 😂
Or we adapt! Slot is struggling with that part, but hopefully we kick on from last night.
I agree, I was just joking about changing the rules.
Absolutely, Slot needs to set the team up in such a way to break down low blocks. He's struggled with that all season.
I do think the improving form of new players and the relationships they're beginning to develop with the rest of the team is an integral part of the process too.
Hopefully we continue to improve.
Yeah I'm happy with how last night went but I need to see that form carried into the PL, we've been good in Europe and awful in England all year. We followed up a 5-1 win over Frankfurt with a 3-2 loss to Brentford, then we beat Real Madrid and lost 3-0 to City and Forest back to back after it.
I think the reality is that the general standard in the Champions League is by and large lower than what we play against in the league these days.
Especially with this new stupid format that reduces jeopardy.
Even Spurs are doing well in the Champions League..…
He has to stop talking about low blocks, its your job to figure it out, every manager of a top team faces them almost weekly. The best route to winning these games is set pieces but we have been hopeless at them, there will be periods in games where we sit back but our counter attack breaks down constantly, their isn't enough width and pace in the side although I don't blame him for that, that needs to be addressed in future windows.
The constant whingeing about the low block really is becoming tiresome. It's not like it's some magical new tactic It's barely an evolution of Trap-ball, 2 banks of 4, compact and hit the opposition on the counter When Ireland were playing that shíte in Euro 2012 and how did it work out for us against 3 world class teams? We shipped 9 goals in 3 matches. How are world class Liverpool doing facing the same tactics? Yes we need to improve our set pieces but, the absolute inability of the team to use possession to shift opposition players or force breaks is a coaching issue and it's not improving. The result last night was brilliant. I'm not pinning anything other than it being a result of the same naiveté that Real Madrid & Frankfurt showed in those games against us. If a team tries to play against in an open and aggressive manner? They'll be punished, we can exploit them.
That's not what we are playing in the PL and 6 months into the season? There has been very little effort to adapt to that reality.
We've been facing low blocks for probably 10 years or more now. We used to be able to get over them by overpowering teams over the 90 minutes, constant driving fand energy from the likes of Mo, Mane and Hendo, woth Bobby or Trent picking the lock with fast touches if the door wasn't blown open by someone else. Energy is what's missing first and foremost, a bit of quality and nous as well but primarily energy.
Konate’s dad has passed away. Sad news.
Ah poor fella… good he was there the past few days anyway at least. Hope he takes the time he needs and stays with his family, rather than rushing back too soon.
For a lot of the teams in the CL they are mostly playing weak teams in their national leagues and coming in to games more complacent and less honed, whereas the PL teams are fighting out tough games every week, and are more ready to go. I think this is why Liverpool have been able to perform better in Europe vs PL imo.
When Slot was talking about 'low blocks' before, he was also talking about needing a 'magic moment'. What got me with that is it seems to infer there is almost a hope 'a player will pull something out of his arse' to get us a goal e.g. there is a lack of coaching on how to attack the low block/ how to create and take chances.
For me, a 'magic moment' is an unusually good piece of skill or a particularly good goal, its not the same as or doesn't equate to 'just scoring a goal'.
He's talked about that in more detail at times, and basically just meant upsetting the defence by having someone beat a man, causing someone else to be pulled out of position to cover, creating more space. That you need that first domino to fall to create openings. Can see Wirtz in particular tries to do that a lot more recently, both through dribbling, movement, and quick little passes in packed areas. Like his run for Ekitike's back-heel pass the other week.
I think that's the reason for that sometimes-ponderous build up - I think the idea is actually to probe a little, then put someone in a position to take someone on, or make a one-touch pass, with everyone reacting quickly. The intention being; slooow… slooow… fast, fast, fast, goal. The issue has been that the players keep probing rather than taking the risk - maybe part of this being a reluctance from some players to take the responsibility of that first move - again Wirtz has stepped up in that regard though. But too often for much of the season we've not been pulling the trigger on starting that fast-phase off quickly enough. He obviously wants them to though, from what we can see from his instructions on the sideline.
Great trivia
Also maybe a more telling stat:
That's the first time we've turned a 2-0 lead into a 3-0 lead since Spurs in the League Cup last February.
The past 16 times we've been at 2-0 we've failed to capitalise and make it 3. It's not the most worrying thing in the world as we still won 14 and only drew 2 of those 16 games, but it would be nice and I'm sure less taxing on the players if we were better about putting these games away.
8 of those 14 wins involved the opponent making it 2-1 (and sometimes 2-2) and dragging us back into a fight when we should've been out of sight.
Correction, we "had" the highest revenue in the league in 2024/25 due to both winning the PL and being in the CL.
This 2025/26 year, unless we actually win the CL, we won't be winning the highest PL revenue title as unfortunately we won't be winning the actual PL :-(
Thanks for that, seems to be a good run down of what we are in fact seeing, and makes sense.
To be fair, I did see players trying to get between the lines quite a lot against Marseilles, looking for a pass. Wirtz of course, but Gravenberch seemed to do it quite a number of times also.
Bayern has had a commercial advantage over most clubs for decades now and that is why they dominate Germany. PSG revenues are not down to their fan following but their sponsorships from Qatar who are their owners, nothing more and nothing less.
Last year when we won it our revenue was only £3.4m higher from the PL. Even if we finish 4th we may still have more revenue than Arsenal as the CL progression will play a huge role along with our commercial deals. If our Adidas deal is worth more and we progress further than Arsenal in the CL we may be close to them, even if we finish 4th this season.
https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4325409/premier-league-central-payments-to-clubs-202425-season
