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This is the best in a while. Yeah they'll be skipping all the way to the RVMs with big smiley heads. Next stop Caribbean cruise with their winnings.
Absolutely sick to the back teeth of this now. It's beyond frustrating having to walk to my shop with bag loads of bottles only for the machine to be broken or the queue at least a 10 minute wait. Maybe this scheme is a good idea for the feckless or unemployed but life is too busy for this nonsense now. I'm just putting back in the bin and will take the hit to my wallet.
The full list of 16 EU countries with DRS schemes. Notably some major population centres around Greece, France and Italy all seem to have gotten away with it for some reason. Fairly sure we are the only ones with privatised collection
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Quote from your link.
Bottle Return Machines
Bottle return machines (Pfandautomat) in Germany are specifically designed for containers with a deposit (Pfand), such as plastic and glass bottles. These machines are a common sight in most supermarkets, typically located near the entrance for convenience. They play a crucial role in encouraging recycling by providing a simple and efficient way for consumers to return their empty containers and receive their deposit back. Additionally, these machines help reduce littering and promote a more sustainable approach to waste management.
We have privatised bin collections but the DRS here is a kind of hybrid having it run by one non profit company with no competition.
A sort of practical pragmatism perhaps.
Low paid seasonal workers looking to augment their earnings.
Yes and if the private waste collectors aren't making the same profits from the recycling of aluminium cans or plastic bottles the consumer ends up getting a higher bill. Most household waste bills in this country rose for that reason after the introduction of DRS
A good way to avoid this would be to make bin collections free for the consumers, either back through the councils or whatever, before introducing DRS. But this govt wants to have their cake and eat it
Except they do have both.
And their system is exceptionally messy - some things have to go back to the shop you bought them in, most things don't. There's massively different rates depending on what you have.
The Irish system works as well (or better, in the case of the German one) as equivalent systems; despite the small number of people on here who seem to be the unluckiest people in the world.
It's not unlucky. The system hasn't enough machines for the number of users. They also break a lot.
How about some online portal that tells you when the machines are less busy. Or if they are working.
Outside of Dealz machines always seeming to be marked out of order, I do not share those experiences
That they seems to be mostly claimed on here by the same handful of people who have spent three years having the most prolonged tantrum ever about this coming in is notable.
The machines do not communicate their usage status back to anywhere so that wouldn't be possible.
They don't seem to be doing that badly. Regardless of how they report it.
https://www.independent.ie/business/money/wave-of-bin-hikes-feared-as-thousands-of-customers-hit-by-increase-in-collection-prices-this-week/a1393463044.html
Because they increased the prices their customers pay to protect their profits
And?
They've multiple pipelines for handling it. Makes sense.
You don't get your money back any other way; so its exactly the same as here in that regard.
But over there, you need to bring Lidl own brand glass bottles back to Lidl and so on.
They must have forgotten about North Dublin as my Panda bin charges haven't changed in 2 years.
I guess if you've a lot of Lidl bottles it's likely you'll be back at the same shop anyway. I don't see a problem.
Interesting, my own one has jumped by about 12% since before the DRS was introduced although admittedly I'm not with panda waste
Ye I've heard people saying there's have increased but mine are still around €17/18 a month for the last few years.
A previous poster refused to believe me and I had to upload screenshots to prove it to them.
It's enough of a problem that it's causing small scale producers to move from reusable glass to aluminium or even plastic instead, because customers get pissed off at having to go back to the specific retailers to return.
And then that reduction in reusable container user gets pointed at by people against the concept of DRS, when it is a fault of bad implementation and not the concept. In Denmark, the system operator gets reusable glass back to the right people; I was putting Fotex-exclusive beer bottles back in for my deposit in Coop for instance.
As an aside, it is quite likely we'll see reusable glass appear here in the next few year, as the EU has a pending mandate for it. Don't think shops will be happy with needing larger RVMs, and it could easily be made a mess of here too.
Yes, it seems to be the case that our system works better than a few of the others. We are not the first to adopt a DRS system, but we are not one of the laggards, however, countries like France, Spain and Italy are moving towards bringing one in.
Feels like reusable bottles from past. We are reinventing the wheel.
If you describe milk floats and milk bottles like a tech bro it sounds like something Musk would try get billions for:
"Silent, EV-delivered fresh milk to consumer residences, packaged in 100% reusable containers"
The last common consumer product in Ireland in return to retailer bottles was Lucozade in the late 80s; but I remember "no deposit - no return" being printed on bottles well in to the 90s.
If I could have more reliable machine that takes a bag at the time it would be more acceptable.
Currently system is a pita.
And so have we....
Deposit items back to DRS machine.
Non deposit items in green bin.
It's just everywhere was doing this and we moved away from it for consumerism and profiteering.
Not everywhere moved away entirely. A number of European countries continued with specific manufacturer controlled glass bottle deposits up until their DRS schemes came in, e.g. Grolsch in the Netherlands or some German breweries. Buy by the crate, return the crate of empties. Also a few US states have had state-wide DRS since the 70s
Definitely done for profits, but also because consumers - and society in general for decades - prefer to just throw stuff out.
We went through all that discussion before and I made my position clear.
The government brought in the law that deprived the bin companies of the opportunity value of some of their waste stream.
It was wrong that consumers ended up on the hook for the bin companies claimed losses effectively paying them for not collecting.
A complete overhaul of our bin collection system is a worthy subject for a separate thread.
The DRS system where you do it one item isn't suitable for bulk returns from households.
A house hold bin solves the storage and return.
DRS as is, makes both a problem.
The bulk machines will help in that regard.
I find the current machines ok for my usage which is seldom more than 10 containers at a time.
The return of deposits directly from household bins is not likely to happen.
In all fairness that's not an acceptable reason to maintain the status quo "Because if could put customers off and effect the firm's sales."
The cigarette companies weren't allowed get away with that line, nor the plastic bag manufacturers nor countless other organisations over the decades who had to change their ways for any number of reasons.
Instead the lobbying that these companies do has managed to protect their tens of millions in profits while pushing all responsibility onto the consumers with no reduction in the amount of plastics in circulation.
