It is available. But not in Ireland of course 😂 We are always years behind the action
If it's not the same as getting in the passenger door of a taxi or bus then it's not FSD
I'll wake up when it's available. It's not available.
The govt can legislate what it wants. Yet if that L driver is bold and drives on their own, that same insurance is still valid for any third party claims / damage
To be frank I'll be shocked if Ireland was going to be even on the first 50% of EU where it's approved. But it's coming to other EU countries and will be cool to experience it abroad on holidays in the future and maybe eventually over here too.
Just because the OEM is liable for damage/injuries/etc, doesn't preclude the govt initially legislating for at least 1 capable passenger.
An L driver can have insurance in their own name but legislation requires them to be accompanied and there are criteria for the accompanying person.
L4 and even L3 while the car is in control means the OEM is liable. This is already the case and has been for quite some time. Wake up! 😂
FSD means no steering wheel no driver insurance liability is to OEM not the owner or passengers.
This is why it won't happen any time soon
After spending some time on the roads over the weekend I'm prepared to say than often times the safest place for the driver would be in the boot, whether their car supports autonomic driving or not.
L4 and L5 do not need anyone in the car to take over. The car is responsible at all times. So yes, you can be drunk and asleep in the boot of the car if you like 😂
When will this be available in Ireland? Who knows. We are always years behind anything new and we seem more reluctant than most when it comes to progress.
Do you think that the first iteration of FSD in Ireland/EU will permit all occupants to be over the limit?
Or will it still require at least 1 sober license holder capable of taking over/being in charge? If an FSD car knocks down a pedestrian or is hit by another car, but the FSD occupant is ossified and 3 sheets to the wind, that's not exactly ideal.
One trial is great but can it go from kellys pub in the harrow to monageer. (random back roads located near to me).
Can it do it before 2030 ends
Can it do it when I'm drunk?
NO
https://x.com/i/status/2000243989036110108
Video in above link. Here a still from the video. No people in any of the seats
Robotaxis are now driving around in Austin, with no occupants. Musk announced last week that this would happen in a few weeks time, I think I mentioned it here? For once he was pessimistic.
This is significant, as this is L4 autonomous driving by definition. Like Waymo. Straight to L4 indeed. Surely people are not still saying this won't happen? 🤗 Oh wait yeah people did, even just now!
@sk8board "and now Musk claims they’re going straight to level 4. "
@sk8board "some of the bigger ones do level 2 better than Tesla"
Who does better than Tesla FSD 14.2 in consumer owned cars at the moment anywhere in the world?
claiming an anti-Tesla undercurrent in this thread is just lazy imho. We’re all car fans, we have that in common or we wouldn’t be here. It’s more like a growing indifference to the constant lying and stringing everyone along.
Tesla have talked about FSD for over a decade, and were no closer to seeing it in Ireland than a decade ago.
I’ve had an m3 years ago and loved it; we have 2 M3’s in my immediate family, recommended by me, and the current €37.4k M3H is the best value car for sale in Ireland imho, ICE or EV.
A decade on, we’re still years away from FSD being regulated for sale in Ireland in reality, and now Musk claims they’re going straight to level 4. thankfully the grown-ups at the regulator can remind him of his insurance liability with level 4.
And that’s before we add all the competitors FSD systems into the mix, and some of the bigger ones do level 2 better than Tesla.
Funny you mention that. The first post ever in this forum from 2010 iirc (obviously moved here later by the mods as the post preceeds this forum which only started in about 2014) is from a total and utter petrol head, expressing his admiration for the just announced Tesla Model S
Real car enthusiasts are often open minded
Not quite. The disdain comes mostly from folks that would never in a million years have bought anything remotely interesting.
It's the "Tesla took away my TDi/V-8)."
Musk-aside there is an undercurrent of disdain, unrelated to CEO personally.
You'll find that with most of the anti-Tesla posting, there is a strong anti-Musk link. Some people can't separate the two. You'll see the same posters in the Twitter thread. It's just died down a bit since Musks orbit around Trump has gone from Mercury to Mars.
There's also an anti-Tesla undercurrent in the FSD commentary as well.
Not an anti-Musk undercurrent necessarily (that's fairly new in the broader scheme of things), but a very detectable disdain for the products, the company, and - more acutely recently - the buyers who choose their brand.
Definitely linked to the progression aspect mentioned above, but there's more to it at the same time.
Same few posters too.
Yes they are. It's human nature to be afraid of progress. The vast majority of people are afraid of what changes might bring. They don't want to think about how a new situation might affect them. They are more comfortable to stick with what they have and what works for them. People just want to be like other people and are afraid to stick their head above the parapet. It is perfectly normal.
Thankfully there is a considerable minority who are not like this. If it weren't for them, we'd literally still be living in caves 😁
What happened with Tesla was that they had the courage to throw away all the software twice before starting again with the current implementation plan and the 2024+ AI4 hardware finally has enough oomph and camera quality to accommodate it.
It really seems to work this time after about 5 years of hard work, and they have had the benefit of almost unlimited material to teach the AI how to drive under any conditions.
I really don't get the hate, self driving is coming , Tesla may not be the last man standing in that regard but they have done more than most to drive this forward. Yes musk has over promised and under delivered but he has still delivered more than anyone else as regards self driving in cars you can actually go and buy.
Are people that afraid of progress ?
I'd say rural Irish roads are many, many times easier for a FSD system compared to crazy European city centre traffic 😂
The FSD ride along demos in France and Germany this month have been extended by 3 months into next year. Already everywhere booked out. Switzerland and Denmark have been announced for Q1 2026. Who knows, they might do Ireland in a few years time 😁
Nothing will convince me until I see videos of it navigating rural Irish roads.
I love my Tesla. Best car I've ever owned. It's criticism of Irish roads, not the car. I simply won't believe it until I see it.
Please, the software in your Tesla is many years old and has zero relation to what the latest FSD beta is and can do
For the craic go watch what that Tesla Cybertruck did when illegally imported into Czechia when it was let loose in the city centre of Prague, without even having any maps
I won't trust it until it knows what a tractor is 😄. I was behind one the other day and it jumped from thinking it was a truck, to thinking it was a car and a motorbike, to thinking it was a truck coming head on towards me, as in it thought the back of the tractor was the front of a truck.
That coupled with tractors having their own specific rules, coming barrelling towards you and not stopping for anyone, forcing you to get into the bushes or get crushed.
I can't see an American based AI knowing what tf to do on rural roads in general to be honest.
Also, how can it possible know what to do on an Irish roundabout? When you've to stay left to go straight on, except for when you've to stay right (with no signs, its just something everyone does). And when people indicate left to let you know they are taking the exit after you.
But I'd buy it just for motorways and national roads.
I won't try predict what will be released and when, but people were spending nearly €60k on a base RWD M3 only a few short years ago with basic AP. Seems the value is not that bad if you can buy a new one now and have FSD installed for a mere 44k. I mean, if you remove your seething hatred of the CEO from the equation, it's pretty decent value. Not worth the extra unless it can be properly used, which we can't yet on our little piece of land. I'd pay it no problem if it had the current functionality of what they have in the US.
Hard to train/code for judgement to respect a Garda on point duty or even a dedicated but stupid volunteer directing traffic to a free spot at a village fete parking field without also leaving scope for the chaotic situation of any random muppet in a high viz "directing" a crash. I can't forsee any no-driver FSD scenario where the car won't have to have an option to give up and require/force a passenger or remote controller take over. But if this is done smoothly and a FSD sale/subscription includes some kind of always available remote control fallback, then the drunk driver scenario might still be covered. (Edit: by FSD, I meant the no driver required type, not the FSD you can buy now.)
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