https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues
Ridiculous stuff.
You'd think there were no real crimes in the UK to be investigated
EHRC presumably. They're a UK body responding to a UK court ruling, they've nothing to do with the situation in Ireland. But the problems that you've overlooked are;
Seems strange to have to call it out, but the reasons why many trans people have been using the bathroom of their preferred gender for years without any dramas are;
And yet you replied 🤣
It's your own words, that you don't have a problem with trans people living their lives, just a problem with the 'demanding' ones.
Oh look at what kind of response you get when you ask lesbians about the trans community;
There's a difference between being consulted and thinking that you have some kind of veto. There's no aspect of public life where any of us get to hold a veto about changes.
What happens when someone decides that they don't want black people or Muslim people in their bathroom, because they've decided that they are a 'threat'?
Ah yes, I remember that now. That was ridiculous, even if he had a charge to answer, phone the guy up and ask him to attend a police station at his earliest convenience.
[In my defence, the thread is about a lot more than that now.]
How am I contradicting myself? I specifically said if they pass- in which case who’d know?
So now we’re talking about those who don’t pass.
And I don’t believe you’re correct about there often not being disabled bathrooms - the law says there have to be. They’re almost always gender neutral and when they aren’t, that can often be changed fairly easily. It’s like when the law was brought in to enable disabled access- it takes a while to change some places more than others but the disabled didn’t stop existing all that time. Lack of access is a false problem.
Lots of people use medication and have surgery for non-illness or disability-related reasons. There's ads for this stuff on TV now.
Have you consulted people with disabilities on this? I've certainly seen and heard of people with disabilities being left waiting for limited facilities already. I've heard of cases of people with disabilities soiling themselves while waiting. It's funny how you've no problem at all with women using disabled toilets when it suits them though.
See if you can find a direct quote from anything that I've said that supports this position. I'll wait.
Yes I am going to keep omitting the really important bit where he incited people to "Make a scene, call the cops" and "if all else fails….."
Graham Linehan: I don't regret my online posts
"separate gender neutral section of the toilets"? Where have you seen a separate gender neutral section of toilets please?
And yet you omitted the key phrase again. Does it make you feel uncomfortable at all that you're standing over and man telling people to punch others in the balls?
Do you really not get how racist this is as a comparison?
Black women are women. Muslim women are women. Take away the adjective and they’ll still be women. Trans women? Here:
Passing is subjective. Someone who passes for you may not pass for me, and vice versa. It's a ridiculously subjective standard to propose, for a scenario where you've proposed a criminal sanction would apply to someone who doesn't pass. It's like suggesting that only good looking people can be legally permitted somewhere.
There are no laws requiring disabled bathrooms to be fitted retrospectively. Building regulations apply to new builds over a certain size. So no, they're not required, and they can't be changed fairly easily without incurring significant cost. If you had consulted with people with disabilities at all, you'd know this.
So you're saying we don't get to veto who else can use the bathroom because of a perceived threat? I'm confused now as to your position?
No not in the slightest, nor do I 'feel uncomfortable' advocating Karate classes for women who feel threatened.
No, not lesbians, only some lesbians, and particularly not older ones. I'm sure you know who I'm talking about.
Who are they even referring to in that article? It could include heterosexual males who identify as women ….
For what it's worth, in a part of Spain that I visit occasionally, they've ripped out all the gender specific toilets and replaced them with gender neutral + disabled toilets. I can certainly live with that accommodation, but given the state of some of them with p*ss all over the floor, I'd say women are bearing the brunt of it.
Often. More often than a disabled cubicle inside a women’s toilets, presumably because that requires doubling the facilities, putting the equivalent in the men’s toilets as well. So: male section, female section and disabled or family toilet separately. Plenty of them around.
I don’t really believe you’ve never seen them.
Like here:
Or these:
So if you saw a woman being sexually harassed by a man you were big enough to take on but she wasn’t, and AFTER calling security and cops with no result, are you saying you’d just shrug your shoulders and call her a bigot for being upset?
(Maybe I’ve got that wrong - maybe you’d go straight to calling her a bigot without trying to get anyone else to help first?)
What he described is not sexual harassment though... If anything this has also led to people who aren't even transgender being harassed in bathrooms by the people who have it in for trans people. If one looks in any way masculine, then you are open to being harassed because of The rhetoric Linehan and co push.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/minnesota-teen-says-server-forced-prove-gender-restaurant-bathroom-rcna224562
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/women-boston-liberty-hotel-bathroom-gender/
I had a teacher who in school who was very masculine-looking and I often worry about her. She must be about 80 now.
Shouldn't happen but blaming it on Graham Linehan is ridiculous. There was a similar case in this country in the GAA reported in last Sunday's Independent, in relation to a "tomboy" girl, playing football and who was particularly good at it. That questioning never would have happened in the past before boys were allowed to play on girl only teams.
I think you’ll find it is harassment in the U.K. but for sure it’s not up to you to make that decision.
If Linehan has read the law wrong then he can be tried for incitement to violence can’t he?
I think neither of us can decree whether his JOKE reached that level or not. But it seems the courts didn’t, so I’m happy to take their view on it. Aren’t you?
As for your examples they’ve already been dealt with the other day. The problem is men going into women’s facilities. If we re-establish the social contract that worked for generations where men stay out, then women who have experienced sexual abuse won’t need to be hyper vigilant in toilets. Because that was not a thing that happened until recently.
So unless we’ve all suddenly forgotten how to distinguish men from women - something my dog can do with 100% accuracy so far, I’m going to file those incidents under yet another “Stop blaming women for men’s bad behaviour”. We are not all your mother, and still less your shields from other men.
We had a doctor who was employed by the pharmaceutical company I was employed in for medical examinations (lab/research work meant we were exposed to chemicals and human blood) and people used to laugh behind her back about her being a man. Now I think she probably was. Which if true means we were regularly sexually assaulted by being examined in our underwear by a man under false pretences.
"The problem is men going into women’s facilities. If we re-establish the social contract that worked for generations where men stay out, then women who have experienced sexual abuse won’t need to be hyper vigilant in toilets."
In your ideal world, what are trans men to do? Do you only want to "re-establish the social contract that worked for generations" for trans women?
For someone so exercised about the Daily Mail, you seem to have read it a fair bit 😀.
The mantra has always been that trans rights don't take away from anyone else's rights. This has always been wrong but it's good you're saying that they do and you don't care.
This conversation usually revolves around toilets but it's the changing rooms, homeless shelters, rape crisis centres, breast feeding clinics, etc which are far more important.
I’ve replied to this several times. Read back
Strange how you couldn't bring yourself to type his threatening words yet again. There was nothing about 'feeling threatened' in Glinner's advocacy for violence - just their presence was enough to justify violence in his book, and you've been standing over this. Good for you.
Don't need to read it to be aware of it's reputation for stirring up hatred against vulnerable groups, using clickbait about teens in bikinis to attract male readers and overweight celebrities to attract female readers. Don't need to read it to be aware of its legacy in supporting and enabling the rise of Nazism in the 1930s or its role in making Brexit happen.
I actually read that one again in case I was mistaken. No, it's real, you're actually equating a bronze statue with a real woman. I suppose it's just as scientifically possible as a man becoming a woman.
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