I imagine Stormers getting two yellows versus Ireland getting 5 cards has something to do with it. Also the Stormers have been very profligate.
Interesting he is at 4 while Beirne is at 6 though.
so the lesson is instill a bit of discipline into your side before you play a SA team?
That’s definitely a work on for him so.
newsflash;
The Stormers are not South Africa
Yes, I think its god though, he can cover second row and 6.…with Baird injured maybe for 6N he could really get a chance. I reckon he might take it
Who said they are?
Ahern has been called up but got injured most of the time just before camp
This aged badly.
Yes well…if he stays fit is my point.
Andy could have learned a lot there could he?
not at all.
One touch of a ball away from beating a team that’s hammering your scrum and on top in the lineout. Always going to be a one score game unlike the beating Ireland took.
A whisker of a touch away from a match winning try and conversion. Andy would have taken that.
Ireland lost to potentially the best international team ever seen. A fully strength Munster lost to a Stormers team without their internationals. Take off the rose tinted glasses.
And we wonder why we’ve lost so many good posters on the rugby forum over the years
Ireland were hammered all over the pitch because of poor performances and poor tactics against best team in the world. Munster almost won a match against the best URC team this year who were dominating set piece because they played a much smarter game, for the most part kept their discipline and played the game in areas they could win it in. They didn’t but they gave themselves a realistic opportunity to do so.
there is no mystery to it.
You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that Stormers were without their internationals.
21-6 up at half time. To lose is awful. No dressing that up
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They won without out them.
I’m pointing out the approach Munster took in a game against a more dominant set piece gave them every chance of winning it, in complete contrast to the Irish approach.
Coombes did something stupid. The stormers bench made a big impact. Munster made mistakes and still put themselves in a position to win the game.
I will leave it like this , the Irish first choice 3 loose heads and 3 hookers all are at Leinster. What does that achieve for Ireland and for Leinster. It’s bad for Leinster too , I would even encourage the younger talent coming through for Leinster that dont want to play for another province to go abroad for a year or two. for example Gus McCarthy is currently wasting his time at Leinster . If he don’t want to play with another Irish province then Leinster should loan him abroad to an English club for a year.
The assertion is not without foundation. He spend the first few weeks of the season selling a book FFs.
And he got his tactics against SA completely wrong, something that was highlighted tonight no end.
and the blithe assertion that of course Farrell wouldn’t be watching a Munster game.
And people flip out when I suggest he isn’t liked
Last night told another chapeter in that story as well.
Irelands top 3 player in a lot of positions are all Leinster players, which is fine and testament to the work done underage, yet last night against the dragons (missing players to wales) it took Slimani and Snyman to come off the bench to win the game.
What does that say!
There's more to consider than rugby. Some are studying, moving abroad can incur a cost accommodation wise, it can have tax implications, they may have partners here, like being close to their family. That's not considering the fact, that they may feel they are good enough to start. Gus McCarthy as an example has had amazing progress, a number of Irish caps at his age, that's surely enough to make him think he can be first choice at his own province, even if other factors don't come into it.
Front row, won 5 scrum penalties, what other players are considered Irelands top 3 players? Jimmy o Brien? Curious to see who you think would be a better 3rd choice to any of them?
Stormers reiterated tonight v Munster what the Boks clinically demonstrated last week,that with total scrum dominance you are more than likely going to win the game.Playing Wycherley in the row against Boks seems naive,we need some big arsed locks and quick or we are going to get regularly rolled over by the heavyweights.We have for some time hung on just about at scrum time but methinks we are getting left behind.Tonight away from home every Stormers scrum was more or less a peno,not sure how there wasnt any cards.From an Irish POV for me this is a more important issue than the recent line out difficulties.If scrums are starting to win games,we need to adapt or suffer.Mobility will need to be downgraded with more emphasis on heft.
Top 3 players in Hooker, Props, 4 of the top 6 2nd row, then only one player plays 7 for Ireland. Top 5 back row players are, top 3 midfield, of the top 6 wingers 5 are Leinster of the top 5 15’s 4 are Leinster.
im not saying they don’t warrant their position, very few players outside Leinster deserve to be in the Irish team. But the second string Leinster team is suffering because it’s so far behind the first team and getting minimal opportunity to improve.
You can have one Gus McCarthy that stays and the other side of that coin the the Tadgh Beirne that moves.
Scrums are not “starting to win games”
it’s kinda always been a thing.
