I think every main Junction on every N-Road in Ireland should have street lights. agree?
Every junction, like the thread title says, or every "main" junction, like your post says?
And if it's the second, define "main" ?
junction where 'r' Road comes out onto an 'N' Road. - if finances/technicalities permit , on bends as well on the N - Roads
Every junction and every bend? Probably cheaper to put lights on the front of the cars.
it would / is but not as safe apparently - I was reading some article (and typically cannot find it now) that said lit roads were safer statistically
So is slowing down and paying attention to what you're doing.
indeed, of course - it all helps and goes hand in hand
You can make statistics say anything you want.
Most countries are turning off their road lights at night instead of installing more. If they where leading to increased RTCs then they wouldn't be doing that.
It's not a realistic proposal. At all.
Next.
true maybe - but i wonder where they are turning them off? - on main roads is it or in less dense areas?
i should imagine if you are going to have a crash at a junction or on a bend - it would soften the blow maybe and more convenient if the road your in has some streetlighting on it rather that not and you are in the pitch black?
How do lights make the accident softer? Or do you mean that it's easier to cope with the accident afterwards?
Or people would just crash into these light poles you want to put everywhere.
In France, at least, it's everywhere - main roads, minor roads, towns, villages, roundabouts, motorway junctions. Other than big,big cities, te country goes dark after 10.30/11pm.
And we never really had them anyway on the main roads once you got out of whatever passed for an urban settlement.
yes, easier after the accident to see what you are doing and for other traffic to see that you have crashed , or if you need help better to do it with road lit up than not
yes, fair point
i'm surprised that when in UK nearly all the road signs are lit up …. not talking on the motorways , I would expect that , but no on the main A-Roads as well … and in Towns and cities the one way street signs and no entry signs are lit up with overheard lights (used to be fluorescent tubs, more than likely LED now) and the square plastic bollard things where there is an island in the road , and mph speed signs and roundabout signs …. all lit up . Not over here in Ireland as far as I know.
Signs lit up? What kind of crazy nonsense is that? :p
The last time I drove in England at night, after a long time away, I couldn't help thinking to myself "would ye ever turn off all those lights"
FWIW, in France, we also turn off the lights in shop windows and the ones that shine on castles, statues and other monuments.
signs light up for people on foot who dont have car headlights fitted so they can still see where they are driving walking to 😁 ….. yeah well the French are funny aint they - most probably think its saving money switching the lights off, until someone trips up in the dark and sues the council (or whatever the equivalent of councils is in France) joking aside though I am trying to think why they have all the destination signs lit up in UK even along with the streetlights and I am wondering if its for all the cars that have a headlight out … or have just forgot to turn them on!
Mass lighting is not cost effective so won't happen.
For me the best thing brought in for years on small turn offs are those green plastic bollards either side of the junction. They stopped the sudden late braking as someone passed the turn off at night. A good cost effective safety measure.
Andy, lights at every side road on an N road would ruin your night vision as you pass the junction. I find my headlights, signage and reflective bollards are more than sufficient to alert me to side roads. If anything I'd get rid of the random public lights along rural roads altogether.
even mass lighting with LED not cost effective these days? - they use a fraction of energy of the old sodium street lighting
the light itself is probably cheap but the"furniture" required to mount them would cost a fortune and probably be a solid hazard for someone to hit anyway. I find some very bright LED house lights on the side of the road particularly on a bend very distracting and dangerous.
i'm willing on a compromise, how about if there is an accident blackspot on a part junction or a bend , say one or 2 accidents (or fatalities) - then bung in a few streetlights for the future …… (or straighten out the road and make it safer)
that I agree with. Accident black spots are a curse. Clearly there is a design issue. Design the flaw out and at least light it up if that's not feasible. Sticking a black dot up and a 60 sign doesn't fix it.
thats the fascinating thing about after hours - it gets a lot of slating , people saying there are un-intelligent keyboard warriors on here that have nothing better to do but I am actually impressed that I put a question out there and a lot of people have come back with some very valid points that I had not even thought about when i started the thread. its good to see another angle
most arsehole Irish drivers don’t know what car lights are
It'd would be a better use of resources to fix the issue that caused the crashes rather than put up lights.
The M50 is fully lighted yet everyday there are multiple crashes on it. Street lights don't make road safer, a lot of crashes happen during daylight hours, proper driving training and testing are what makes the roads safe.
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