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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    wrong thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    wrong thread



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,576 ✭✭✭fitz


    Casey was poor in the first half, but was much better when the subs came on in the second half, I thought...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    I'm sure you'll shift the goalposts any way you like (now it's "quality opposition" that's important) but this was a soft game for Casey and he didn't perform. It's up to him to take his opportunities. Starting him against "quality" like France, SA, NZ etc etc so he can put in a performance against Japan quite obviously makes less than zero sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Harry Byrne running the show on A with Baloucoune showing proper pace and strength



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    How is it that our scratch A team, are showing better handling and interplay than the firsts? Spain aren't that far behind Japan, so the opposition isn't entirely the difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭almostover


    Took the dog for a walk there and was thinking about our lineout woes. Came to the conclusion that POC's position cannot be tenable going into the 6N.

    Our lineout was poor in the 2023 RWC group stages. We patched it up vs. SA and beat them. But it faltered badly agaisnt NZ in the QF and was a key contributor to us coming up short yet again.

    We won the subsequent 6N but lost to an average England side. I don't recall the lineout being an issue that day but either way we left a GS after us.

    The following AI series our lineout was again an issue vs. NZ and Aus.

    The 6N just gone it improved a lot but we were forced into throwing to 2 a lot and our platform in attack as a result suffered.

    And now we're worse than ever. And you can see it's a psychological issue for the players. The first lineout each game so far was a joke. And it cost us big time vs. NZ as we kept turning the ball over on our throw when in good positions and when dominant in the game.

    Can Farrell be ruthless and do the necessary before the 6N? It's his coaching staff and he needs to drop non performing members of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Spain to be fair are pretty useless and well behind Japan on todays performance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    nothing wrong with the lineout when Gus was playing… go take the dog for a walk again.

    maybe it's not just coaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭almostover


    You saying so that the issue is Dan Sheehan and Ronan Kelleher? And Gus should be elevated to the no.2 shirt? And that will solve the issue?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    It feels like that Podge. In fact it feels longer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Juventu4


    We rely so much on our lineout to build an attack and every team knows this, we're so poor and slow in our phase play very laboured and predictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    What year is it? Flashbacks to 2007, 2011, 2019…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Of course it’s coaching. Two weeks in a row. We had 30mins with a functioning lineout over 160mins with different hookers and second row combinations. Players not getting off the ground in both games. And we’ve had the same issues since 2023.

    I think we need to go in, strip it out and rebuild it with a different voice leading it. What we’re doing isn’t working and we’ve been trying to fix it for years. We stabilised it to a degree in the last 6N but most of the ball was won at 2 giving us little attacking opportunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Juventu4


    Definitely 2019



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    Wrong, what you see today is him getting minutes. You've immediately pivoted in your next post to saying he hasn't gotten minutes against 'decent opposition' as if that would affect his ability to perform against Japan. Then you claim people expect him to be on a bar with JGP which no one does.

    Another example of people wanting their favourites to be handled with kid gloves rather than earn their time in the team and it leads to some awful bullsh!t being spouted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I think you have to look at the players as regards the lineout. I can't see anything technically wrong with them. It's mistake after mistake by the players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Who deserves a pass after today? Doris and Crowley were the only starters that stood out to me.

    I had a toothache, a bad one, during the game and what I was looking at was making it worse.

    So I might have missed another player that deserve a pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Doris Crowley and Baird were good.

    The subs were good when they came on, but Japan were beaten by then and they had no subs that showed any sort of depth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Indeed.all to their own. Thought Tommy O Brien was given space but he's too light. Robbie really is heading to end of career fast. Kelleher is as normal. Porter is as normal. Ryan is as normal. And normal really doesn't cut it these days. Folks talk about age profile but it clearly hits you in the face with Ireland. Andy has a job on his hands just to change his perspective. The team will change if he just allows it to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    The players aren’t having these issues at all or to anywhere near this level though when playing elsewhere.

    I watched Ronan Kelleher start for Leinster against the Sharks about a month ago, and Leinster’s lineout went 15/16 that night, with a lot of variety.

    These sort of constant communication issues etc are prime examples of players with zero confidence in the system. O’Connell has to go now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭ingo1984


    Kelleher has been bang average for years. It's farcical that in all these years that no coach has sorted out his throwing technique. His technique leads to in consistency in the throw. He's a poor scrummager and is also fond of giving away the needless penalty. Time we moved on from him. He's had more than enough opportunities and at 27, with zero improvement now likely, it's time we gave Gus McCarthy or Tom Stewart a proper run and look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,477 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I'm surprised to see people say Crowley was good. I've been arguing the case for him to start for Ireland for a while and I continue to back him as I think he deserves the Autumn games but I thought he ran out of ideas pretty quickly today. Obviously as a half back you're hostage to your pack, but I wasn't that impressed by him at all today.

    Doris was comfortably the best player on the pitch today and Tommy O'Brien played well as well. Of the starters that was about it. Cian Prendergast was the pick of the replacements for me.

    Full back is increasingly a problem. I don't think Osborne was great. Unfortunately he is now injured so we'll see what happens next week there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭longjohn200


    Crowley was poor today and I wouldn't be surprised if prendergast comes in to start next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭bigmac86


    Know the pace thing has been joked about recently, but watching the speed the French wings carry at compared to ours is frightening. Every contact is on their terms and nearly always is over the gainline



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭VayNiice


    Made the mistake of reading the comments on the irfu Instagram post for the match.

    It's depressing to see that even after his good performance today, there are still some people bitching about Sam Prendergast, often in quite a personal way too. I'd say Sexton and ROG must be glad they broke through prior to social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Former Coach


    Just watched France v South Africa. What a test match! Different gravy. We will need to improve considerably over the next two years in order to make any impression in the next World Cup. There is time but we appear to be a long way behind in our set piece (both scrum and lineout) and we don't have the inventiveness and pace that other teams have. We can only hope.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭50HX


    After watching that match in Paris I think we could be handed a right lesson by South Africa.

    They'll have a nice jolly in Rome & come locked & loaded in Dublin for the one win missing from Rassie's cv.

    14 men for 2nd half ,away in Paris, they look better than the Rwc winning side.

    We are a shadow of the 22/23 side



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭A-Train


    Be afraid be very afraid for 2 weeks time! SA are going to pull Ireland apart in every facet of the game. Scrums, lineouts, open play, it’s not going to be pretty.



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