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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Yep thats just the reality. Lack of game time.

    Should be no excuse not to to come out swinging. Rucks. Mauls. Scrums. 'IN your face stuff'.

    Not expecting them to come out and play NZ off the pitch. Probably game planing for a kick-for-territory (sensibly!) and big pressure kick chase approach.

    I would like to see a few good old fashioned Garryowens for this game. Launch TOB and Osborne as the chasers; If you regather the ball - smash it up the guts; If you dont - smash them in the guts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭conquestscarer


    We picked the right captain if we want to "go for points" anyway. Sheehan went for posts every time it was on offer against Wales in the six nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,125 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I agree, but that's a function of the IRFU scheduling this match so early in the season immediately following a Lions tour, they knew this was coming and there isn't really any changes we could have made now to mitigate it.

    I had a feeling this was coming for McCarthy, amazing progression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,036 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    It'll be interesting to see what kick approach we go with and how we fare.

    Osborne wasn't particularly good in the air vs Munster, so I think we'll really miss Keenan there. With regards kick-chase, we don't really have that out-and-out pace on the wings to pressure really early; we'll need TOB switched on for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    True. Ringrose did get the 20min RC. Maybe that also played into his decisions? I cant quite remeber how the pens played out.

    If Ireland are playing against 14 I can see the logic in going for into corner. Playing against 15 I hope they will take the option of the kick allot more frequently than they did when Sexton was captain.

    Good captains that are forwards (like POC) will opt for the kick at goal more frequently than an outhalf who is captain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭50HX


    Great opportunity for Paddy Mc. Hope it goes well for him (i cant see it being justified but im not Farrell😁) & hopefully a sign of things to come from Farrell.. esp at centre.

    Part of me thinks Cullen must looking at this going if Paddy rips it up how the name of God am I going to be able to keep all three looseheads happy with game time and another showing promise v Zebre last weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Kick chasing is probably not the biggest asset for Osborne but off a planned Garryowen into the 22' he's a big body that can get up and make it very difficult for NZ to claim clean ball.

    Will always love that Garryowen from Sexton in Twickenham in 2018.

    Maybe Ireland might have a variation of that Stockdale try v NZ in 2018

    TOB v Caleb Clarke



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,506 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I'll go out on a limb and say he's as good as VDM at those

    Edit: this was meant to be a reply Re: Pollock's abilities in line-kicking, defence and catching



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I like the look of both Bolton and Kilgallen, the latter seems to struggle to stay fit though.

    I was at Belvo v Hinch a few weeks back with Baloucoune playing and he didn't stand out in any way. It was his first game back from injury as the caveat but bar physically looking like a pro player, he didn't play like it, granted he did score a hat trick against the Lions last week so probably needed a game or two in his legs. Another one that struggles to stay fit. If he can stay fit he is an option for sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭ersatz


    decent team considering , and w the paucity of minutes played by them this year we’ll go in w very low expectations. It’s a little bit of a nothing to lose situation for us. ABs have all the pressure honestly, they did ok in the RC but that big defeat against SA at home means the knives are out for razor, and he hasn’t stamped any kind of identity on this team, certainly nothing like all the hype warrants. He and his team are under the gun here. For us the risk is a sluggish start, but of the blocks and score early and we could have them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    Balacoune is 28 now. I don't think there is any scenario where he finally manages to force his way into Farrell's plans at this stage of his career. He is decent, but I can't help feeling he has always been just missing something to make the leap to International Rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,036 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    We were far from perfect come the Aus game, but the NZ was particularly notable for the sheer amount of errors; handling errors, penalty count, missed tackles, turnovers conceded, scrum and lineout issues. I'd go as far as saying it was our poorest performance in years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I hope we can keep it close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    NZ have named their side:

    (15-9,1-8):

    Will Jordan, Leroy Carter, Quinn Tupaea, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Cam Roigard, Ethan de Groot, Codie Taylor, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Fabian Holland, Simon Parker, Ardie Savea, Peter Lakai

    Reps: Samisoni Taukei'aho, Tamaiti Williams, Pasilio Tosi, Josh Lord, Wallace Sititi, Cortez Ratima, Leicester Fainga'anuku, Damian McKenzie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭almostover


    That 23 is as good as we can put out at the moment. Worrying lack of pace in the outside backs, I feel we will have to monster their set piece and ruck to win this game. Big game for both number 10s, hopefully Jack will put us in pole position over the first 60mins and Sam can then come on and steer the ship home. However, I see NZ as strong favourites for this game.

    Only disappointment is Henderson on the bench. Need to move on from him. McCarthy is a loss in this regard but I'd rather the 4th choice lock wasn't Henderson. Need to get Izuchukwu and Tom Aherne up to speed so we can jettison Henderson. Another option that would have been available right now would have been to bring Gavin Coombes and have him bench. Baird could move to lock then and Coombes to back row. But I'm a broken record now on the Coombes thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,133 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    If anything demonstrates the nonsense set up of the Champions Cup these days, it is this.

    By this point of the season, irrespective of Lion's Tours, Ireland Summer Tours, development tours or anything else, senior players would have played at least two rounds of pool stage Heineken Cup games by now, as well as at least one major derby.

    That the Ireland Men's squad are going into this game colder than a butcher's freezer has a lot to do with that.

    As a Leinster fan, even I wouldn't have picked that many of our players to start against New Zealand. As a squad and as individuals, we are in shocking order.

    If Joe Schmidt said to Rob Kearney 9 years ago 'you need a good one this week Robbie', I'd be saying the same thing tonight to Ryan Baird, Van der Flier, Gibson-Park, Ringrose, Furlong and a few others.

    These two week in the U.S. had better have been spent pulling up trees and looking some unpleasant truths square in the eye, because if they haven't, we're gonna get pasted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭daithi7


    Thanks for sharing AT, I really enjoyed that 'preview/ IrlvNZ look back' video, all 52+minutes of it.

    Totally stoked now, can't wait for the game - Gwan Ireland!!



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,611 ✭✭✭fitz


    Think we can get at that front row in the set piece, and that back row isn't vintage. Savea is still class but not as consistently standout as he was a couple of years ago.

    I think it all depends on whether we rock up with accuracy and intensity. If we do, I reckon we can exploit their defense. If we're fumbling things, it's gonna be a tough day.

    Edit: also, happy to see McCloskey start, he's been in good form for a year, despite Ulster's woes, and would be good to see him carry hard through contact and bring a bit more physicality than we've seen from Henshaw of late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    I was very impressed by Simon Parker as the Rugby Championship evolved - old school blindside, hits hard, carries hard. Peter Lakai is a bit more of a wildcard though, great athleticism but can drift in and out of games IMO.

    Cam Roigard is a huge difference maker for them - his running and kicking games are so good. Quinn Tupaea, especially if he brings his form from the end of the RC, is a good call over Billy Proctor too. He's extremely direct and physical.



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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,611 ✭✭✭fitz


    Agree on most of that, though I'd say Parker is in the solid but unremarkable category for me. Has some big moments, but I don't think he's a game-changer.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    In general yes, but TOB is properly rapid. Real difference making (if he can stay fit) in that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    It's pretty close to our strongest side I think. Of the injured players (Tyrel Lomax, Tupou Vaa’i, Noah Hotham, Emoni Narawa, Ollie Norris, Ofa Tu’ungafasi, Asafo Aumua, Stephen Perofeta, Timoci Tavatavanawai, Patrick Tuipulotu) only Lomax and Vaa'i are probably First XV.

    Good luck to Irish fans - I watch more soccer than rugby these days, but will watch this game. Probably delayed coverage as there doesn't seem to be a lot of viewing options. I have no real idea about the Irish team form anymore, will see how the game unfolds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,036 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I'm pretty concerned about our ability in the air, tbh. Remembering back, Will Jordan was pretty imperious against us last year and that was when we had Keenan (and indeed Hansen) on the pitch, who'd rate ahead of our starters this time round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    12 from Leinster starting - only 2 from Munster ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭50HX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,615 ✭✭✭✭phog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,892 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think he could still be excellent for Ireland if given the chance. He was very good Vs South Africa, in a game where we did absolutely nothing to put him in space with the ball. I know the criticism is that he should find work, but there should be blame shouldered by the coach that doesn't gameplan to maximise opportunities for his most dangerous attackers. Farrell was wrong to dump him, especially given he brought Stockdale into camp.

    If TOB can finally get his chance to show his quality, so could he.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭HanShotFirst


    Completely agree on Baloucoune. Injuries have prevented him from showing Farrell how wrong he was.
    He has time yet.

    I would still pick Hansen myself and Lowe.

    What am I missing about Lowe? He seems to be getting a bit of grief from fans. Like there is no way Stockdale should be starting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,892 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I suppose the question with Lowe is whether his game will hold up for 2 years. He's never been particularly fast, so there's probably not going to be a massive drop off there, but is that going to be enough to have him be picked over a younger lad.



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