Israel/Palestine Thread

Great. Progress. So you accept the rulings of courts like the ICJ and ICC.

Or do you only accept the jurisdiction of Israeli courts?

Their head is well and truly in the sand.

Refusal to read a UN report to feign ignorance.

Carefully selecting which questions to answer and then demanding answers or answering their own questions on behalf of other posters.

Their hypocrisy and lack of shame is mind blowing.

This isn’t true Blanch.
In the 2004 Wall case, there was a full hearing at which Israel was fully represented and offered a defence which was rejected by the ICJ who found them to be in breach of international law.
14 out of 15 judges found Israel to be in breach of international law. When you say it should be left to the courts and the judges to determine this, why do you then dismiss the rulings of the judges and the findings of the court.
If Israel had been found to be in compliance of international law by the ICJ would you also be dismissing this?

I'll use your under hand tactic and answer a question with a question, why do you refuse to read the UN report?

Why do you refuse to give an opinion on genocide, man made famine, murder and starvation of innocent civilians by Israel?

Where do I stand on what? I'm not sure what your question is

This not a deal, it's an ultimatum under threat of destruction of Gazans (not Hamas).

Hence, there is no choice here but to accept, or face destruction.

The more pertinent question is - if Hamas (a terrorist organisation who we all agree do not have the welfare of Gazans in their choices) refuse it, do you agree Gazan civilians deserve to be destroyed for it? Does that not disturb you?

Answer the above pls, if you have even a screed of honesty in you.

Of course the genocide, the land grabs, the displacement of millions is auful, I don't think any right minded people would think otherwise. It is, however the way a lot of modern countries borders are today

Don't get me wrong either. Ideally the UN mandated borders from 1947 with the common economic union should be the end goal with displaced people on both sides compensated in order to bring about peace

Pretty disappointing to see the genocide defenders crawl back out from under their rock and act as though Israel, and by extension the posters themselves, are somehow vindicated by the so-called “deal” on the table. They disappeared for weeks, while the rest of the world turned its back on Israel and defending the indefensible became harder and harder.

For months, they’ve refused to condemn starvation, indiscriminate bombing, or even acknowledge reports confirming what’s happening. Instead, they obfuscate every discussion: dodging clear yes-or-no questions, nitpicking semantics, and derailing the thread and debate with irrelevant whataboutery. In the last hour alone, we have gone from Japanese emperors to Ian Bailey, ffs. Demanding answers from others, putting words in peoples mouths while they themselves avoid the most basic questioning.

And now, anyone expressing legitimate concerns about this “deal” is being misrepresented, labelled as Hamas supporters, the usual nonsense. Let’s not forget, the deal was drawn up by the butcher who starved and massacred innocent children, flattened Gaza, and by a corrupt fascist leader who openly talks about seizing Gaza as real estate. It was created with zero input from the people it concerns most… the innocent Palestinians. That’s not a deal, it’s an ultimatum. Sign it or else.

We’re supposed to take this at face value? It’s obviously a way for Israel to secure what it always wanted, while escaping accountability for what it has done. And if all else fails, they’ll just return to indiscriminate bombing. No honest broker would present this as anything resembling a fair deal.

And for the record: I, and virtually every other anti-genocide poster here, have always said the same thing. Hamas should lay down their arms. Hamas should release the hostages. Despite what the usual cohort claims, that has always been the consensus here. It is possible to call out both sides in this barbarity, try it some time.

Did you really expect anything more?