Starting a thread for 2025 gigs as they'll likely start rolling in.
I'll arbitrarily throw in Rob Beckett playing the Olympia on the 26th September 2025 which went on sale today.
Look no finances will vanish/swap hands as regards the promoter and the venue quit acting like you unaware it's not the same monopoly with your mumbo jumbo haha.
you don’t understand the basic concept of legal separate business within a corporate structure and individual business having their own costs to recoup and profits to obtain. There is transfer pricing legislation in this country and countless others against such practices.
I don't understand the outcry of trying to maximise profits. It's what the vast majority of all businesses do. The music industry is a business at the end of the day. To make money. Just like we go to our day jobs to do same.
One day whilst you are working in your small office, your employer comes to you and says that you can work in the bigger office over there, where there are more people, and you'll get paid more money. And don't worry, the cost will be passed on to the clients/customers - How many people here would genuinely "Ah, no thanks. My morals won't let me do that".
At the end of the day, it's not on the scale of Oasis, where there are millions of euros/sterling involved. It's a relatively unknown US band (no disrespect intended. I just mean in the overall scale). Trying to maximise a living in a tough industry.
Charge your partner for the use of your bike, does the money really leave the household?
See also the tax affairs of acts like The Stones and Radiohead, the latter despite their protests against tax evasion/avoidance by financial institutions.
In terms of Live Nation and Ticketmaster that's why they're soon to be broken up and hit with enormous fines in the US (and probably also the EU). The sharp practices ain't fooling anyone.
I'm sure they're doing everything by the book but it does make a bit of a mockery of the whole thing in fairness
3 arena has hundreds of suppliers/staff. How are these magically paid? How can it pay light, heat, insurance, staff wages if it charges its main client who do 70% of shows in the building nothing? its would also be breaking multiple Irish laws. username is apt given how wrong you are about businesses operate.
You are just running in circles now which a common theme for you.
Venue hire was listed separately in your post. (You know the one that ended with the list goes on).
You give me a dressing down on how people magically get paid yet I suggested none of this in my posts.
You trashed that together and I'm then declared wrong, wrong how? Okay yes that's my user name. Such a waste of time...
Transfer pricing legislation is to prevent profits being artifically moved to countries with lower tax rates. There's no benefit in an Ireland to Ireland context and there are specific exemptions for Ireland to Ireland transactions to that Irish entities aren't required to implement the rules in such cases.
They have no relevance here.
That doesn't negate your other point about separate legal entities with their own costs, which they absolutely have, but on a consolidated basis, it's still maximising profits for the group (which they're perfectly entitled to do, but they're also completely taking advantage of the excess demand here to do so).
and I say that as someone who just bought a ticket for the 3Arena gig at the higher price (to vaguely attempt to keep things on topic).
you suggested that no money will change hands between 3 arena and mcd. How does that work? How do suppliers/ people get paid by 3 arena when it gets no money in from mcd renting its venue like you suggested?
3 arena had costs, it needs to charge anyone who rents it money to cover these costs and make a profit like any business.
It's more it's just bad optics when they've evidently completely underestimated their pull. Like something clicked after of "oh we can make more out of this now by increasing capacity but also charging more".
GGig tix are pricey enough without venue and price changes after the original sale date. If they had gone straight with 3 arena and charged the new price, then it wouldn't be the same, even if it is pricey for the band in question. It's almost like it's dynamic pricing.
Look you filed it under venue rental I'll back off now you are making this something it isn't.
You know full well my stance on this.
Yours is to back these absolute morons to music and fans.
Tell everyone they need to hire their own venue then.
I didn't say they dont need to pay suppliers or staff or anything of the sort you did.
Again, I understand what you mean in that the principle of it gets people worked up. I'm old enough and been around long enough not to care about optics in life. It is what it is, and I try not to get emotional about those things. I don't really see anything wrong in the first paragraph you outlined. Yes, the promoters and band probably saw an opportunity to capitalise a bit extra on post-Glasto popularity. But why wouldn't they. It happens every day - from something small like last weekend punters selling bottles of water outside Croke Park for €3 a pop because it was about 30 degrees outside. Legal firms charging big clients more because they know they'll pay for it. Holiday makers paying €15 for suncream in the little supermarket in a holiday villa in Spain. Guinness being €5 down in the local bar, €7 in temple bar, and then €8 for a pint of plss Guinness at a gig. But people will still pay for all of these things.
I 100% agree with you in ticket prices. I specifically refer to tickets over the €100 mark. And the crazy stuff about Oasis tickets. But I generally don't really mind gigs priced around the €50-€70 mark. They are affordable, and can provide an efficient enough evening out if a few cans are consumed beforehand, keeping the price down. There was a time when I spent approx €15 for a CD for a band. If I wanted to listen to new music, even only once a week that would be 52Cds, nearly €800 per annum. Nowadays, Artists receive very little on music sales, and depend almost on gigging. I can accept the modestly priced tickets, as a return for not having to buy music (other than spotify subscription)
To me it's more that some people will have said less for the same ticket. Use the water prices outside Croker....bad enough it's 3 quid, but imagine the person in front of you was charged 2? Or when pubs charge more after a certain hour (if that's still a thing).
Set the price and stick to it. Haven't heard bands charge more for tix when upgrading a venue before....Chappel Roan and/or her promoters should be furious at playing the Olympia otherwise if this can be done. As i said, if this went on sale originally at the new price, not an issue, bar maybe people saying its too expensive, but thats said about everything
Spare a thought for those of us who paid €25 for tickets to Bernard Butler in Roisin Dubh in Galway tomorrow night, when tickets first went on sale, and then got an email yesterday offering tickets for €5 because it's clearly not selling. 😉
I'm generally ok with those policies. But then it is up to me to either accept and buy, or to think f#ck you, I am not going to give in and pay for that.
Hold off on buying a ticket until tghe day before or day of the Turnstile gig. You'll get one for €30/€35 from people selling, Then you can have the last laugh at those that bought them for €50.
It's only funny when that happens to big acts/live nation gigs, case in point Slayer in Cardiff recently. Certainly crap for original buyers
I'm not really bothered about it for this gig. I'll often go to gigs in Roisin Dubh that I wouldn't bother going to in another venue. It hosts enough of the really special gigs that I want to go to to motivate me to support them by attending other gigs I'm only marginally interested in.
Vieux Farka Touré - Sugar Club, Tuesday 14th October: https://thesugarclub.com/tc-events/vieux-farka-toure-2/?mc_cid=388152306e&mc_eid=f2ef1bc2c4
Also in Belfast Limelight the following night and Cyprus Avenue, Cork on the 27th. I'm guessing the Cork gig is for the Jazz weekend.
Tomorrowland in Antwerp is in 2 days time. I think there might be a postponement as the main stage is on fire.
€25 will go towards Bernard, so I wouldn't have a problem with others paying a fiver later.
€25 is a fair price.
Did anyone get an email yet? I haven't!
Nothing yet just showed up in my account of the venue and date change
Same here, and I hope it'll help to fill up the room For Butler. It balances out anyway as I regularly receive mails offering very cheap tickets for gigs at the Roisin that haven't sold out. I've often gone and paid peanuts to see a decent act I hadn't previously known. Paying the full price for BB helps to get more acts booked there in the near future. Enjoy tomorrow's gig.
How dare you expect an email about a change of date and venue..
Nope nothing yet.
WHELAN’S SUMMER WATCH 2025
They ran something similar over Christmas and it was great. €6 a night. You're guaranteed to find someone you'll enjoy.
THURSDAY 17TH
MAIN ROOM 20:30-21:00 SNUG 21:15-21:45 DELIVERY SERVICE 22:00-22:30 BLACK NYLON 22:45-23:15 SILVERGLASS 23:30-00:00 CROÍTHE 00:15-00:45 LAST APOLLO 01:00-01:30 WOBBLIN JUDE 01:45-02:15 TELEBOX
UPSTAIRS 20:15-20:45 LAURA DUFF 21:00-21:30 ZOE CLARKE 21:45-22:15 TROYOKAY 22:30-23:00 LLAMA CULT 23:15-23:45 THANKS MOM 00:00-00:30 BLUBOTL 00:45-01:15 CIRCA 01:30-02:00 HALF LEFT
FRIDAY 18TH
MAIN ROOM 20:30-21:00 MAC STEADY 21:15-21:45 BINMEN 22:00-22:30 SARAH BROOKI 22:45-23:15 DOSE 23:30-00:00 CABLE BOY 00:15-00:45 BBFT 01:00-01:30 DIGDEEP 01:45-02:15 WIFESWAP
UPSTAIRS 20:15-20:45 PRETTY POLICE 21:00-21:30 BABYRAT 21:45-22:15 LARA FITZSIMONS 22:30-23:00 SOFTDRINK MILLIONAIRE 23:15-23:45 CARSTEN2X 00:00-00:30 GAG REFLEX 00:45-01:15 PUBLIC WARNING 01:30-02:00 KIPPAX
SATURDAY 19TH
MAIN ROOM 20:30-21:00 PEBBLEDASH 21:15-21:45 BURGLAR 22:00-22:30 DREAM BOY 22:45-23:15 SELL EVERYTHING 23:30-00:00 DANZI 00:15-00:45 ANEMOIA 01:00-01:30 TBA 01:45-02:15 WALLFELLA
UPSTAIRS 20:15-20:45 KLEIO 21:00-21:30 SITTING ROOM 21:45-22:15 DONNY 22:30-23:00 PUCK 23:15-23:45 CIUNAS 00:00-00:30 FOR NINA 00:45-01:15 EPPIE 01:30-02:00 NOVA DREAM
Hoping to head in tonight myself. I know and like Silverglass and Last Apollo, and Croíthe in between them sound good from a brief listen. The rest I'll be hitting blind
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I'm not whinging at all. The winking emoji is supposed to indicate that the post was intended humorously. And, in case that wasn't clear enough, I followed up with a second post making it clear I didn't feel hard done by and that I'm happy to pay money to go to gigs in Roisin Dubh for bands that I wouldn't bother going to see if they were across the street in Monroe's.
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