This.
The guy says his vision is a municipal stadium. He doesn’t say anything about Cork GAA giving up ownership. If you pressed him on it, I’d bet his actual vision is to host more regular non-GAA events with more regular rent being paid to the Cork county board.
Any financial input from the State would necessarily involve the facility being available to multiple sports. Major investment would be required to upgrade existing GAA stadia. Paying off existing debt and then spending millions on upgrades while still having games played would cost stupid money.
It's, as @phog said, a pipe dream.
Pairc Ui Chaoimh is to be a publicly owned municipal stadium it will need sold out big international games to pay the stadium bills.
It's a pipe dream. What the stadium needs and what the IRFU do are two different things. Maybe way off into the future if the IRFU feels pressure to move internationals around the country and forfeit a large chunk of money from stadium naming rights we might see something but in the short term International Rugby will be played in the Aviva.
The government don't own or operate any stadium in the country.
They already gave €30m towards building the stadium. They're not going to stump up another €30m to bail out Cork GAA.
There will be more Munster games there. There is never going to be internationals there.
“They’re showing the stadium as the people's stadium. My vision is for it to be a municipal stadium. I think stadiums are expensive public goods that need public support and funding and need to be multi-sport. SuperValu Páirc Uí Chaoimh wasn’t built for that, but this is our way of maybe retrofitting a little bit of that."
I would assume by "public support and funding" he means the Government. It looks like Cork Gaa can't keep up with the current debt not to mind the running and maintenance of the stadium.
If his vision for Pairc Ui Chaoimh is to be a publicly owned municipal stadium it will need sold out big international games to pay the stadium bills.
Also PuC, while a nice enough stadium, is nowhere near at the level needed to host international matches.
I would hope something like A games could be moved around a bit more though.
No irfu have commercial deals with various partners tied in with the playing of games in the aviva.
No. All internationals are played at the Aviva as that's a stipulation in Aviva's sponsorship deal.
Where are you getting this idea that the government is going to bail them out from?
Could we see Ireland International Rugby games being brought to Cork if they get a municipal stadium?
If Cork Gaa gets a €30million bailout from the Government to clear their debt and get the Government to take over the running of Pairc Ui Chaoimh, I assume there will be a big push to get international Rugby & Soccer games to Cork.
Good Summary.
TOB is going to bring allot to this Irish team. Would like to see Killgallen get a run at 11/23.
I thought Georgia wouldn't be up to much but It was still Impressive seeing how Casey (also loved that pass!) and Prendergast guided the team from the very start.
Wanted to see more of Ben Murphy.
Scrum did ok. TH put the squeeze on Boyle a few times.
I'd start both Baird and Ahern in the Second Row v Portugal.
v Portugal
Jimmy O’Brien; Tommy O’Brien, Hugh Gavin, Jamie Osborne, Killgallen / Nash; Jack Crowley, Craig Casey; Jack Boyle, Tom Stewart, Tom O’Toole; Ryan Baird, Thomas Ahern; Cian Prendergast, Alex Kendellen, Gavin Coombes.
Reps: Gus McCarthy, Michael Milne, Thomas Clarkson, Darragh Murray, Max Deegan, Ben Murphy, Sam Prendergast, Nash / Killgallen.
I'm no doctor, would an AC joint injury be a number of months out? Edit: A google search brings up the answer that it could be anything from 2 to 8 weeks to fully recover if no surgery required. Fingers crossed that's the case.
It's an interesting one. What Ireland probably don't have relative to France is a lot of young tyros - players 23 and under - who are first choice or thereabouts for their province/club, i.e. getting enough exposure to come into consideration for international selection at a young age. There are a few in Ulster because of how much turnover there's been in the squad and them not having much money for signings. McNabney and Jack Murphy look to be starters outright, and Postlethwaite and Wilson are probably close enough for it not to make much difference. But across the other provinces there's probably only Sam Prendergast and Hugh Gavin (although Jamie Osborne is also seeing enough high level gametime to be a really good option). On the other side of this there'd probably be a fair few cases like Matthew Devine stuck as third choice and not getting a huge amount of exposure. Charlie Tector and Hugh Cooney would have a hard time breaking into the Leinster first XXIII for a big game with Leinster opting to go to the market and bring in Ioane. If Devine came through in France maybe he would have spent the season before last on loan in ProD2 and then returned to his original club and played a lot as first or second choice.
It's true that there have been no shows from the A team the last two times they've played but the scratch nature of those teams does make it difficult. I look at the Ireland and France lineups from last weekend and for a lot of the head-to-heads I'm thinking Ireland should be competitive - Tixeront v Timoney, Tom Spring v TOB, Slimani v Clarkson, le Garrec v Casey, etc.
My read on it is there are enough players getting provincial gametime for Ireland to be able to field good quality second and third strings. Obviously if you went down to 10th choice French selection versus 10th choice Irish France would have the better readiness by probably a long way. Ireland 2nds of course would be more susceptible to key injuries having a detrimental effect. France have a lot more options if they're looking for a particular profile of player, which is probably especially relevant in the front five.
AC joint injury for Stockdale. Flying back home for rehab.
Yeah anything during COVID should not be held against a person.
If a close relative or friend passed away and you felt you needed to spend time away to help in some way, that should not go against you either.
should help with casper gabriel as well, should he develop to test level.
Its situations like his, where he went home for a few weeks during covid, thus breaking his residency, which this amendment seems to try to deal with.
Izuchukwu hasn't kicked on the way I'd hoped. Right now he reminds me a bit of Ryan Baird from a few seasons ago. He's an athletic freak that can make the big play, but if that doesn't pan out he's sort of just there. Will make tackles and a few ok carries. But won't have the impact you'd hope.
Baird appears to have improved a lot over the last 18 months or so in that regard. He's far more involved at the lineout and his tackle and ruck work is far more aggressive. Hopefully Izuchukwu follows suit.
Baird is playing extremely well at the minute, but the competition we thought there'd be for POM's jersey doesn't appear to have materialised. Nobody else has performed well enough other than the Leinster man. Cian Prendergast might be an option, but we don't know as he hasn't been well enough to make a start.
That makes much more sense.
I was pretty disappointed with the two locks too. They're both players that I like but it seemed like neither really made a big impact. Aherne came on and made three good carries that I noticed. and just seemed more aggressive. He probably deserves a start this week. Henderson might be alongside him then with Murray and Izuchuckwu competing for the bench spot.
Henderson is probably on the way out of Irish squads so we need one of those three to claim his place.
I'd imagine Crowley would have been on sooner if not for the Stockdale injury. Hopefully he gets the start this week now.
Thanks. It makes it clear the 5 year rule doesn't apply anymore but its vague on what the qualifying criteria is. It seems that as long as they've been playing during their residency, then they become eligible.
In August, World Rugby announced a change to Regulation 8 for national team eligibility that stated: “From August 1, 2024, any player with a genuine, close, credible and established link to a union is no longer required to complete 60 months [five years] of unbroken residency in the relevant country right up to the first time that player represents the union.“Under the revised approach ‘rugby registration” over a 60-month period will need to be demonstrated via registration with a rugby body, including a national union or club.“
In August, World Rugby announced a change to Regulation 8 for national team eligibility that stated: “From August 1, 2024, any player with a genuine, close, credible and established link to a union is no longer required to complete 60 months [five years] of unbroken residency in the relevant country right up to the first time that player represents the union.
“Under the revised approach ‘rugby registration” over a 60-month period will need to be demonstrated via registration with a rugby body, including a national union or club.“
From
https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350441206/highlanders-lock-fabian-holland-jumps-all-blacks-frame-after-world-rugby#:~:text=He%20was%20not%20expected%20to,has%20dramatically%20changed%20the%20picture.
True. And both him and Anton Segner played NZ u20s.
Ok, I have no idea how residency qualification works for players that move as teenagers.
It was one of those days and games where a player was going to find it hard to shine, I didn't think the pecking order was going to change over the summer tours anyway but looking at the game on Saturday confirmed that. I thought Casey was MotM but you can see why they went for O'Brien. Sam mixed the poor and the good, the big no no from me was that he should never have put his foot in touch nor be that close to the line especially when no defender was in reach of him. We were rather lucky that the TMO called back two of their trys, it could have made a very different game of it had they scored them.
Poor Stockdale got a terrible injury, not having much luck either.
I thought so too, but Fabian Holland (age 22) is able to play for NZ so there must be some other angle
I think your over estimating how good a second string Ireland would really be. When we won the NZ tour our best team was playing at it's absolute peak. In more recent years Ireland A teams have been thrashed by England away and at home in the RDS by an Abs 15.
Moving away from touring the tier two counties during Lions years would be absolutely terrible for the game. If anything we should see more of it.
I believe for a player to qualify under residency, its 5 years in country after they turn 18.
Got around to seeing the Georgia game this evening.
YeYeah That's what I thought. I thought they could have 5 total NIQ with one of them being a on a pathway to being Irish qualified. Leinster only has 3 NIQ for next year. Gabriel could be an NIQ on the pathway to Irish qualification.
NIQs can play in any game? Regardless, the NIQ designation is entirely an internal IRFU policy so they can designate him however they feel like.
The Terenure lad doesn't know, because nobody knows for sure at the moment. There was certainly a hope he would be eligible by now but clearly he isn't.
