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Evan Regan with 2-13 against Castlebar at the weekend, surely has to be back in with a new manager, hes been the best forward in the county over the last two years
So did Cavan. nothing to be leppin around about. It would be possible to make a legitimate argument that 4 or less players in the current Mayo team would make the current Galway team, yet here we are, both out in June with a record in league and championship of 7-1-6 for Mayo and 8-3-4 for Galway.
With great help from the officials over the last two years.
still beat them tho
MAYO COUNTY BOARD SHOULD TAKE NOTICE,HOW THE APPOINTMENT OF A TOP CLASS MANAGER CAN CHANGE THE FORTUNES OF A COUNTY TEAM. TAKE MEATH AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY WERE A SHAMBLES UNDER COLM O ROURKE, ROBBIE BRENNAN COMES IN (WON AN ALL IRELAND WITH KILMACUD CROKES IN 2023) AND NOW THEY ARE PLAYING WITH BELIEF AND DETERMINATION AND ARE IN THE ALL IRELAND SEMIFINAL.
Maybe Joyce put too much stór in lepping around after beating middling mayo teams
Don’t be coming in here to gloat
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Woeful from the management with the team they picked. Later on again they were late in substituting players. No plan B. Lucky to beat Mayo, lucky again v Armagh and Derry gave them a clipping. What did Joyce and co do after all the luck they had? Zilch. What looked like a good team on paper doesn't really have it in reality. Players should always take the blame but the team put out by management today was wrong. Not Joyce's first big error, today he was found out and the luck ran out. Can't see him being in charge next season and the heart of that team will go too. Might well be some time before Galway football does anything. Might come across as blunt, but truth is like that.
Nope.
Still hate them more than anything in Connacht.
Galway were just sailing too close to the wind all year without clicking properly. Can’t see PJ staying on, but they do have a very good squad so they will be an attractive prospect
Thought Comer was a menace when he came on. I guess he wasn't fully fit which is why he didn't start. But overall, Galway had one purple patch but were extremely average besides. Meath's midfield dominated which won them the game really.
Galway seemed to run out of steam. Possibly should have put in less effort into winning 4 in a row connaught titles and just peak for the group stage onwards.
Not a huge fan of Joyce but I admit feeling some sympathy for warriors like conroy, McDaid and Comer. We'd be fortunate to have any of them in the Mayo squad.
Their luck finally ran out . Awful all championship . Considering all the brilliant players im told they have this is a hugely embarrassing defeat and a complete failure ?In fact it might be called a complete bottle job .
That’s the standards Mayo have been held to for two decades so this seems only fair .
Well done Meath!
No one has confirmed that they want the job. It's only discussions on possible candidates at this stage
IMO Horan was a good manager not a great one. Losing 4 finals isn't due to a lack of luck. Outfoxed by McGuinness, Gavin and Farrell mainly due to inaction during finals and thinking a rigid game plan would be enough. It wasn't.
Could be an interesting summer with Mayo, Dublin, possibly Kerry, Galway and others all changing manager
Who says James Horan wants the job? He certainly doesn't need it. I for one think he was the best ever Mayo football manager over the past 75 + years. If he has told someone he would like the job again I'd back him 100%. You need a bit of luck to get over the line, it's not all the managers craft that wins them. One thing for sure, the experts on facebook and "other" forums won't ever manage a team that does it.
I find it a bit strange the admiration for Kieran McGeeney here. If he had been judged on results during those ten years similar to Mayo managers in that period, (and prior), he would have been shown the door long before that.
It wasn`t results on the pitch that kept him in the Armagh job, or the Kildare job as long as he did. It was both counties being in financial trouble when he was appointed, and him taking charge of fund raising that resulted in both getting into the black.
You may well be right. It would be a pity to go from a lengthy process the previous time to a box ticking exercise this time in order to get in a flavour of the month candidate.
Not wanting to dredge up the argument about the statement again except to say that we should be expecting decisions on a par with that if history holds true. There is nothing in the makeup of our county board structures that would give anyone confidence that they will do any in depth research or analysis to find the next management team.
Our best hope is that a ticket presents itself with undeniable credentials and we hit lucky.
And he was proven correct. Even if Horan had recognised the danger and set up differently, McGuinness would have had a Plan B and even a Plan C if it was needed. I never got the impression of the same from Horan.
Down the years there were more than McGuinness that recognised the same.
McGeeney was a former Armagh captain and AI winner. There's no comparison between him and Austin OMalley.
If the board go for OMalley I hope it's based on a lot of behind the scenes work and conversations with players and officials who worked alongside and under him. Same for Andy and any other candidates.
Appointing them based on the Cuala win and Andys time with Leitrim and Monaghan is not enough to go on.
Austin O'Malley has been involved with Mayo GAA in various capacities since his playing days - pretty sure I remember him bring involved in academy/development squads, and with the ladies team.
I don't remember any significant upswing in their performances or results.
Cuala are such an outlier in terms of resources that I wouldn't be sure a Cuala all-ireland win can be equated to a St Brigids all-ireland win, which is what McStay had, and we know how that went...
Billie Joe Padden who now resides in Armagh wrote after last years final, that Kieran Mc Geeney improved every player
individually in the Armagh squad, that is what a top class Manager should do with a county squad. Looking back to the
Final in 21, Mayo had five goal chances and took none, lack of composure was the reason for the misses according to
the Newspapers on the Monday morning after the Final. Why was the Team not properly prepared mentally for the Final? Look at the record Caroline Currid has with winning teams (Tyrone, Tipperary Hurlers, Dublin Footballers and Limerick Hurlers). Teams that that are properly prepared mentally play to their max on the big day and win tight finish games. It is the one area that we have fallen down on, over the years and it has cost us greatly. Young Mayo Players will never reach their full potential unless they are properly mentally prepared. Austin O Malley has a background in Psychology and High Performance - it is just what Mayo NEED now in a Manager.
Spinning mentality Id say mesel.
"We knew Mayo wouldn't change what they were doing" Jim McGuinness on their plan to put Murphy at the edge of the square in 2012.
That would leave Offaly being unique I imagine in that the also won the 1998 All Ireland Hurling final managed by Michael Bond a Galway man ?
I wouldn`t agree that the responsibility for a lose is always down to the manager. Injuries or players having an off-day can often be the main reason. With Horan, for me anyway, in certain games while I would have questioned his loyalty to some starters and his reluctance to substitute them at times, to me he had this tendency to just go with a game plan and stick with it regardless of what the opposition were doing.
In 2012 it was widely known that Donegal in training for the weeks leading up to the final were working on isolating Murphy on a one-on-one for a long ball in. Even if Horan didn`t know, there were a few earlier attempts by Donegal that did not come off, but the danger was obviously there and he still did nothing about it until it was too late. That 2012 Donegal team played to a system that once the got their noses ahead they were virtually impossible to catch, and that goal by Murphy was a dagger to the heart leading to futher scores by them in a short period.
2021 lost to the most limited team Tyrone have won an All Ireland with managed by two rookie managers. Mayo looked like rabbits caught in headlights totally unprepared for what Tyrone brought with management with no ideas as to countering it.
Apologies if someone already posted this. A very nice piece with John OMahoney talking about his life in football. A thoroughly decent man ahead of his time when it came to management. Think some of it was used in the recent RTE documentary on the GAA.
37mins long.
https://youtu.be/nhVdeENaXt4?si=axjBQ8Pt1BgSRUBv
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