https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/13/israel-iran-strikes-defence-minister-tehran-middle-east-live
Reports stating that Israel have launched an attack against Iran
another iranian nuclear scientist taken out - this time by a drone
they must be watching them like hawks
meanwhile cnn seem to think trump is giving iran 2 weeks so he can move aircraft carriers into place
How can Israel know this I wonder….Is Iran confirming it, or Israel just claiming it….?
Does Israel ID the body or something….
It's not just Ted Cruz though. It's obviously a widely held belief in the US. I had assumed he must be Catholic given his name, but as he said himself. His background is Irish, Cuban and Italian, but somehow "ended up a Southern Baptist".
One common theme I've noticed is that 'Zionist Christians' (usually Americans) are mostly completely unhinged. They are often the most hate filled and pro-genocide on social media - a quite bizarre mixture of right wing Christian fundamentalism and the worst excesses of Zionism.
Given how hated the regime is, there has to be a large number of Iranians working for the Israelis providing information.
I tuned into a bit of the Joe Duffy show the other day which had two ex-pat Iranians on. Neither was supportive of the regime. One was opposed to the Israeli action, but the other supported it.
Trump the chess player next-
2 weeks to get all his toys in order-
They can't distinguish a child from a Hamas terrorist but they know when they blow up a single nuclear scientist….
We may not agree on some/many things but I agree with your sentiment on Iran above.
There is no doubt they are a threat to Israel - either directly or through proxies. And Israel has the right to protect itself. And yes, that they are attacking Iran right now is of course not entirely random.
The issue, as I see it, is not the principle, it's the method. That goes for the Israelis as well as the Palestinians.
Both have the right to security and safety . But the methods of both are brutal.
I would have preferred to see Iran continue their meetings to thrash out a solution before any military action (both sides) - that just puts all civilians in harms way.
It would have been preferable that Hamas either didn't come to power or they renounced their terrorist methods, like the PA.
And you're right, pointing out that Iran is not doing well of course doesn't instantly make anyone pro-Israeli. Doesn't work the other way either.
There will be some outliers in any discussion but there are many good posts too.
Absolute sense and balance here. Makes a change from the incessant Israel bad bad bad bad posts littering the thread
One point here though - does Israel calling for regime change and trying to bring it about immediately through military action pose a threat to Iran's existence? I would argue that it does. Lots of talk about 'threats' to Israel when they themselves appear to pose a major threat to their neighbours.
Posing a threat to a regime and a country are very different things.
Israel wants regime change within a country. Iran wants Israel to stop existing as a state.
Israel had tried for a regime change in gaza for 1.5 years without success. I cant see where their confidence is coming from regarding regime change in iran. I think if you want the people to rise against and depose the regimes in power you can't have them dodging bombs or deserting the cities with your actions at the same time.
israel seem to have switched focus from the nuclear plants to regime change instead
Katz instructs IDF to ‘destabilize’ Iranian regime with intensified airstrikes
So tone deaf, read the room Bibi. What are his aides being paid for?
Nonetheless, they still pose a threat to their neighbours. I keep reading about how Israel is 'under threat' and yet they are the ones bombing five or six different countries i.e. they themselves pose a substantial threat to others.
Some ministers in the current Israeli government have issued rhetoric that called for the destruction of Iran,not just the regime. They have also said the same about Gaza. If we are going to be consistent we can't just dismiss it as genocidal rhetoric from people with no influence as they are part of the Israeli Government. As far as I am concerned Iran and Israel are bad actors who have supported terrorism and destabilised the region for decades. It's true Iran is no innocent, but neither is Israel. So if Israel were attacked by another country I would argue they were also reaping what they sowed for their policies.
Turkey threatens the mass migration card just when europe is reaching boiling point on the issue:
The war between Iran and Israel could have a “harmful” migration impact on Europe, Turkey’s President Recep Erdoğan has warned.
The conflict could spark a surge in migration that would affect Europe and the region, Erdoğan said, according to AFP.
“The spiral of violence triggered by Israel’s attacks could harm the region and Europe in terms of migration and the possibility of nuclear leakage,
I did not even know until now that people actually believe this bullshit. It all makes sense and begins to explain why all the fcukwits believe it is acceptable in this day and age to evict people from their land so you can claim it as yours.
Is the person named Jesus today the samerepresentative of God ffs?
I agree - as long as Israel have the security and safety they need, there should be no need to push for any regime change and especially using military might to do so. If the Iranian people want that, they should have it of course.
Fundamentally, the same principles apply to both sides.
Certainly, it is wrong for Israel to have gone straight to the military option without any provocation. To be clear, the Israeli govt.
Iran are not just a threat to Israel, the notion of threat is of some possible future action.
Iran have been waging a jihad against Israel for decades, mostly through proxies. The notion that Iran are interested in peace is naively fanciful.
It seems to be the case that bombing Tehran seems to have galvanised the Iranians in favour of their govt. Just like Israelis are galvanised in favour of theirs.
Both sets of leaders either need to start working towards peace or go.
And Israel is interested in peace?
@Homelander said it - there doesn't have to be good guy/bad guy - in this case, both Israeli and Iranian leadership are bad faith actors in my opinion. Has to change or this will go on and on until there's nothing left - and the whole planet gets sucked in.
Let them go and have their fight in a remote location - just leave the civilians out of it.
Does every response have to be whatabout Israel?
There were two inaccuracies in your post - that Iran was just a threat to Israel and not a long-standing active combatant and that Iran was good-faith interested in peace - that you were using to shape a narrative. I was just correcting those inaccuracies. I note that you did not challenge my corrections.
I mean this was the whole reason for the unprovoked attack - peace is what will lead to the leaders going, war will keep them there. Bibi was facing more criticism at home and major western governments were actually getting close to taking action because of the genocide they are carrying out - remember the summit involving France, Canada and the UK threatening concrete actions? That has all gone away while Israel continues to lure hungry people out with the promise of food and gun them down them on a daily basis without even bothering to hide it anymore because everyone is focused on Iran now. Invading Iran made that all that criticism go away, and Iran hasn't invested anything like as much as Israel has into the apparatus of war meaning it continues to be pretty much no threat to Israel just as it always has been, so there's been little or no downside for them in launching this attack. And of course, Iranians seeing their hospital bombed and civilians mass murdered are of course closing ranks and supporting their leadership who are all they have to try and protect them from this outside existential threat. Which of course continues to create a convenient bogeyman for Israel to point at and the circle of violence will continue.
It's all inter-connected.
Iran funds Hamas and Hezbollah to attack Israel, leads to Israel attacking Lebanon and Gaza - and not saying that's right or wrong, just providing context - and once it destroyed those two proxy armies, it moved onto Iran, which it sees as the head of the snake.
Obviously Israel has periodically attacked other Iranian-backed militias but to nowhere near the same extent, Hamas and Hezbollah have always been Iran's biggest threat projectors.
Iran wasn't even on Israel's radar until 1979, in the sense that Iran-Israel had perfectly normal relations. Once the Ayatollahs took over, they viewed a Jewish state in the region as completely unacceptable and needing to be destroyed.
They basically picked up a mantle that Israel's actual neighbor states had dropped by 1979 and accepted wasn't going to happen - the destruction of Israel as an independent nation.
I'm not naive enough to think that if the Iranian revolution never happened, everything would be fine or Israel wouldn't be stealing land and responding brutally disproportionately against Palestine, but it certainly made the regional situation worse.
There's a reason Israel doesn't go bombing Egypt for example, because Egypt embraced the logical route of peace and diplomacy in the 1980's and it's held since despite Egypt very much not liking Israel.
There's also a reason why Iran has no regional allies at state-level because the regime is hated by everyone. The regime is deeply unpopular in Iran, just like Hezbollah is not popular in Lebanon. Hamas did enjoy more support but I would imagine that's fallen massively too.
None of this is justifying anything Israel does, but it is what it is.
Iran spent 40 years pursuing a dual strategy of deterrence (ballistic missiles) and proxy war (Hamas and Hezbollah) to shield itself from any consequences from Israel.
Now that dual strategy has completely failed and they are certainly suffering major consequences. If the regime survives it will be very interesting to see what they attempt to do over the next few years.
If Iran would give up on its religious quest to wipe out Israel, it would be better for the people of Iran, Israel, Lebanon and countless other places in the region that Iran has spread its fundamentalist tentacles into.
Then, in terms of Israel-Palestine, that's a whole separate thing outside Iran and Hamas and deserves far more than the single line I'm giving it here - but at least there could be far more focused effort on finding a solution and calling Israel to account for what it has done, is doing, and will do in the future.
Plus freeze on tariffs expiring in two weeks. He will have a lot on his plate. Make money with tariffs or lose money with war
No it doesn't. But nor does it have to be all about bashing the other side either.
My post was opinion so i don't think it could be inaccurate. But if you could point out the two inaccuracies, I'd be happy to address.
That this is the Israel/Iran thread, I was focusing on these two actors. I wouldn't be knowledgeable enough about threats by either further afield than the ME (and I'm no expert in the whole region either - some here are)
If you didn't know that Iran was actively directing terrorism through Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis against Israel until now, I don't know what to say.
I clearly stated "proxies" in my response to @Homelander
