https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/13/israel-iran-strikes-defence-minister-tehran-middle-east-live
Reports stating that Israel have launched an attack against Iran
It's a tricky one. You can bomb, crush and degrade from the sky, but you'd need actual boots on the ground to change the regime unless their was a popular uprising.
Even then, that could get messy real quick. You'd think America would have learned it's lessons in Iraq.
Iran needs to liberate itself. There will never have been a better time.
Hahahahhahahahah
Mod Edit: Warned for trolling
Agree. Regardless of one's view of the awful Iranian regime, what's very worrying is this new tendency of simply "military might is right" and that diplomatic efforts are no longer worth it. If you have the weapons you just do what you want. Unfortunately, the only country with the weapons to take out the Israeli regime is their biggest supporter
They are not remotely the same. It's not an "unwinnable" war because the two countries are 2000km apart and neither has ever, could never, and will never have the goal of invasion, occupation and pacification.
Israel's already won, the only thing left to see if it can deliver total victory by destroying Fordow.
Also, the Iranian people despise their regime. They don't feel remotely the same way about Israel the way Palestinians feel about Israel.
Furthermore, no one likes Iran because of the despotic fundamentalist regime and it's multi-decades of meddling - not their neighbours, not the region, not the world.
The only people who somewhat care are the likes of Pakistan and Russia for purely strategic reasons. And they're not going to do a thing.
Most of the Iran-glazing here is based exclusively on dislike of Israel, which is fair enough but people should at least be honest about that rather than pretending Iran is some noble, peaceful victim just minding its own business.
Again, ask yourself why Israel is attacking Iran 2000km away but has had peace with neighbor Egypt for 40 years.
It's because Iran is reaping exactly what it sowed. Palestine and Gaza going through undeserved hell does nothing to change that.
I can assure you it was a nice place to live, because I did live there - until January 1979. The notion that it was a "popular" uprising doesn't wash with me. Our housekeeper was completely torn - as a devout Muslim she listened to what the Ayatollahs had to say, but she was also a staunch royalist and loved the Shah. And this was the case with most "ordinary" Iranians.
Iran had, and still has, a large, well-educated middle-class. They live their lives (indoors away from prying eyes) much as they did back then. They are not interested in the regimes threats to other nations, that stuff is for consumption by "the masses", think: Sun readers, Fox news watchers. For sure, the Shah's secret police (SAVAK) were a nasty bunch. But in comparison to the current regime they were pussycats.
Is there much of an appetite for a revolt after the protests in 2022(23?) were crushed?
Consensus is mixed on this. Most want the Iranian people themselves to initiate that regime change. Israel is weakening the security and political apparatus of the state, so perhaps the Iranians do indeed free themselves from a brutal theocratic dictatorship.
Has Israel made the most of these toys in the complete destruction of Gaza? The bombing of all hospitals in Gaza? The relentless bombing of schools, refugee camps, ambulances, tents filled with women and children, food/aid centres etc? Heroes indeed.
Gaza thread that way..
MBS on Iran, nuclear weapons and comparing the Ayatollah to Hitler. https://twitter.com/EYakoby/status/1934968605877453190
As I said before, Suadi Arabia are the big winners here.
I know and it's a thread you avoid after previous contributions. Your statement about Israel making full use of its US toys can really only apply to Gaza given that they have been using those toys for wanton death and destruction in Gaza for 21 months and against Iran for a week. Its ok though, I don't need an answer. I get the drift. It's not a computer game you know.
In 2018. Since then Saudi and Iran have made rapprochement and restored full diplomatic relations.
The official statement condemned the apartheid states actions.
You do know that there is a difference between an explanation and justification? Right, you do those are two separate things, right?
You are aware of this... or are you intentionally muddying the waters?
hence the “we will close the straights of Hormuz” threats from Iranians are extra hollow
As doing so will bring Saudis and every Gulf state against Iran
The Saudis know where their bread is buttered. They'll do little beyond lip service.
There is little that any middle eastern country can really do to Israel. They're either too militarily weak, mired in sectarian conflict, or just under America's thumb.
So, the great surprise that will be remembered for centuries was......nothing.
The NPC leaders in Civ make better threats!!
Maybe he'll tell us what the big surprise was.
Setting up a GoFundMe account to replenish their X.com credits. Need to keep their online bots going. What matters is winning the online bot war, not the actual war.
Iran are fighting like a Civ AI on easy difficulty. After their opening gambit, they've no backup.
Simply not true.
You are driven by a strange hatred of everything Israeli. One wonders what is behind it.
We all know. It's obvious by now.
They won't close it just limit which countries they sell to. Probably restrict oil and gas to those who support Israel or don't condemn it's illegal war of aggression, that's if the US got involved.
I doubt very much they would hurt their economic partners and shoot themselves in the foot also.
Considering almost all of the gulf oil goes to China, best of luck to them
Don't see them running to help out.
Just like the Egyptians and Jordanians rushed to defend the people of Gaza.
Why have the other Arab nations stood and watched the destruction of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and the Ayatollahs?
It would seem to me that a few posters on here should maybe reflect a bit on those reasons.
I'm not sure Trump is at all keen on war. He appears to be doing a lot of sabre rattling and throwing shapes to try and scare the Iranians but an actual war would be very risky for him - no evidence it would be popular at home, even among the MAGA crowd.
Again,If there was a preemptive attack on Israel by another country, would you also say Israel was reaping what it sowed based on what it does to Palestinans.
"All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini"....bet you believe Ukraine is still winning...koolaid indeed
Probably worried a genocidal maniac nukes them, i wouldn't put it beyond him given his lust to blow up innocent women and children.
EDIT - Forgot to mention the forced starvation of hundreds of thousands.
The Israelis have the fuc*in nerve to complain to the UN that 24 of their citizens have been killed in indiscriminate attacks by Iran since the weekend.
How many hundreds of Iranian citizens has Israel killed in the same time?
Or the 50+ Palestinians murdered by IDF yesterday at an aid station?
What a disgusting, cynical country. Goebbels could learn from these people
The same tired old arguments lads. Arguments that were completely ridiculed in the Gaza thread which is why ye ran away. I would say 99% of people would like to see regime change in both Israel and Iran. I am not sure if you would in the case of Israel considering your love for Netanyahu and the IDF heroes.
