https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/13/israel-iran-strikes-defence-minister-tehran-middle-east-live
Reports stating that Israel have launched an attack against Iran
You do know that there is a difference between an explanation and justification? Right, you do those are two separate things, right?
You are aware of this... or are you intentionally muddying the waters?
In 2018. Since then Saudi and Iran have made rapprochement and restored full diplomatic relations.
The official statement condemned the apartheid states actions.
I know and it's a thread you avoid after previous contributions. Your statement about Israel making full use of its US toys can really only apply to Gaza given that they have been using those toys for wanton death and destruction in Gaza for 21 months and against Iran for a week. Its ok though, I don't need an answer. I get the drift. It's not a computer game you know.
MBS on Iran, nuclear weapons and comparing the Ayatollah to Hitler. https://twitter.com/EYakoby/status/1934968605877453190
As I said before, Suadi Arabia are the big winners here.
Gaza thread that way..
Has Israel made the most of these toys in the complete destruction of Gaza? The bombing of all hospitals in Gaza? The relentless bombing of schools, refugee camps, ambulances, tents filled with women and children, food/aid centres etc? Heroes indeed.
Consensus is mixed on this. Most want the Iranian people themselves to initiate that regime change. Israel is weakening the security and political apparatus of the state, so perhaps the Iranians do indeed free themselves from a brutal theocratic dictatorship.
Is there much of an appetite for a revolt after the protests in 2022(23?) were crushed?
I can assure you it was a nice place to live, because I did live there - until January 1979. The notion that it was a "popular" uprising doesn't wash with me. Our housekeeper was completely torn - as a devout Muslim she listened to what the Ayatollahs had to say, but she was also a staunch royalist and loved the Shah. And this was the case with most "ordinary" Iranians.
Iran had, and still has, a large, well-educated middle-class. They live their lives (indoors away from prying eyes) much as they did back then. They are not interested in the regimes threats to other nations, that stuff is for consumption by "the masses", think: Sun readers, Fox news watchers. For sure, the Shah's secret police (SAVAK) were a nasty bunch. But in comparison to the current regime they were pussycats.
They are not remotely the same. It's not an "unwinnable" war because the two countries are 2000km apart and neither has ever, could never, and will never have the goal of invasion, occupation and pacification.
Israel's already won, the only thing left to see if it can deliver total victory by destroying Fordow.
Also, the Iranian people despise their regime. They don't feel remotely the same way about Israel the way Palestinians feel about Israel.
Furthermore, no one likes Iran because of the despotic fundamentalist regime and it's multi-decades of meddling - not their neighbours, not the region, not the world.
The only people who somewhat care are the likes of Pakistan and Russia for purely strategic reasons. And they're not going to do a thing.
Most of the Iran-glazing here is based exclusively on dislike of Israel, which is fair enough but people should at least be honest about that rather than pretending Iran is some noble, peaceful victim just minding its own business.
Again, ask yourself why Israel is attacking Iran 2000km away but has had peace with neighbor Egypt for 40 years.
It's because Iran is reaping exactly what it sowed. Palestine and Gaza going through undeserved hell does nothing to change that.
Agree. Regardless of one's view of the awful Iranian regime, what's very worrying is this new tendency of simply "military might is right" and that diplomatic efforts are no longer worth it. If you have the weapons you just do what you want. Unfortunately, the only country with the weapons to take out the Israeli regime is their biggest supporter
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Mod Edit: Warned for trolling
It's a tricky one. You can bomb, crush and degrade from the sky, but you'd need actual boots on the ground to change the regime unless their was a popular uprising.
Even then, that could get messy real quick. You'd think America would have learned it's lessons in Iraq.
Iran needs to liberate itself. There will never have been a better time.
It appears to be the goal from the start using the Iranian nuclear programme as an excuse. If regime change is now an acceptable method, I wish somebody would do a regime change in Israel as that regime is one of the most sick and depraved regimes in recent times.
So back to the actual conflict: is the consensus that basically regime change is now the goal and the US will go all in as well?
this Israel attack is very much delaying the inevitable for themselves. It might not be today or tomorrow but the level of hatred they are breeding for the future in Iran will come back to haunt them. it's another unwinnable war same as Iraq, vietnam, Afghanistan etc..
Might be an idea to ask AI how many of those are not Iran or backed by Iran. The answer is zero.
While what Israel is doing is very dangerous in terms of escalation, it makes sense from a military perspective; they are cutting the head off the snake.
Hard to get exact numbers but around 2000 Israeli citizens have died since 2000; much of the funding for that coming from Iran. (Yes I know the Palestinian numbers are many many multiples of that).
I'd be surprised if this wasn't broadly supported in Israel.
Asked AI how many countries are currently being bombed by Israel
"Based on current information, Israel is involved in conflicts and military operations in several countries. Here's a breakdown ¹ ²:
- *Gaza Strip/Palestine*: Israel has been engaged in a long-standing conflict with Hamas and other militant groups in the Gaza Strip, involving airstrikes, ground incursions and sieges.
- *Lebanon*: Israel has been involved in a conflict with Hezbollah, including airstrikes and ground operations, particularly in southern Lebanon.
- *Syria*: Israel has carried out airstrikes targeting Iranian military installations and facilities in Syria.
- *Iran*: Israel has been involved in covert operations and airstrikes targeting Iranian military and nuclear facilities.
- *Yemen*: Israel has been involved in the conflict against the Houthi movement, which has been targeted by Israeli airstrikes"
Such a peaceful place....
You dont want to talk about me, but you want to lecture me about my tone.
Yet, you dont want to talk about the actual topic of the thread.
But this is historical and we should be able to debate history as it unfolds in front of us
Ok - you had me fooled. Both with the debate bit (it seems to be more like an aggressive monologue) and the historical bit.
I'll leave it there so.
The Ayatollah has no clothes.
No interest in discussing you, the issue is the framing. When phrases like “wiped its arse” are used to describe a real-world military assault, it’s going to provoke a reaction. Not because people are “moralising,” but because language like that reduces a war and the civilians caught in it to a spectacle.
You keep asking for discussion of “events,” but if those events are framed with flippant bravado, don’t be surprised when people push back. It’s not about you. It’s about the tone you’ve chosen to describe something deadly serious.
There are no historians I've ever read that use phrases like "whipping its arse" - that's the kind of language thugs might use.
Well, that is an easy one. This is boards, and I am not a historian.
Proper Comical Ali stuff right there.
Is there ANY serious comments coming from Iran given their state of play?
Like, it's not looking good for them, and it looks like the Israelis are not letting up, and the US are about to enter the fray.
Maybe they are in total shock? As if they believed their own propaganda this whole time. Can you imagine growing up in that regime, being brainwashed, believing you are invincible and then finding out over a number of days, that its all a lie? Can you imagine the toll that would have on your mental capacity to function?
I've no issue with debating and discussing in a dignified manner. There are no historians I've ever read that use phrases like "whipping its arse" - that's the kind of language thugs might use.
And you might be surprised if you read a history book that morals are widely discussed in the context of the subject.
But as I have pointed out, your interest and method of commentary in this topic i find very disturbing. Seems I'm not alone either.
On the subject of Iran defeating Israel easily - I've never posted such a comment nor would I. No idea at all why you would accuse me of that. And then ask me to admit if I was wrong. That's simply bizarre - and uncalled for unless you quoted such a post.
So you want to talk about me, not the topic at hand.
Right!
These lads have been drinking the cool aid or something.
Excellent article from an Iranian born journalist who has lived nearly all her life in Israel and is an Israeli citizen.
"Over the years, the Israeli public has grown convinced that it can exist in this region while harbouring deep contempt for its neighbours — engaging in murderous rampages against anyone, whenever and however it pleases, relying solely on brute force. For nearly 80 years, “total victory” has been just around the corner: just defeat the Palestinians, eliminate Hamas, crush Lebanon, destroy Iran’s nuclear capabilities — and paradise will be ours."
They really are screwed as a society and have no positive future. All they have is war and violence - they exist solely to be in a state of conflict and hating everyone.
It’s not about playing the man. It’s about calling out the tone you’ve chosen. You talk like a commentator admiring precision strikes, not a person reckoning with the cost of war.
You can deny enjoying it, but your language betrays you. You sound energised, not horrified. That’s the point. That’s what people are reacting to. If that makes you uncomfortable, maybe sit with it instead of accusing others of moralising.
I dont enjoy war, if that is what you are asking. But thank you for your concern about my well-being and my state of mind. Ill keep it in consideration.
Do you have anything to comment on the actual events taking place? Any opinions or comments? Or do you just want to play the man?
