https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/13/israel-iran-strikes-defence-minister-tehran-middle-east-live
Reports stating that Israel have launched an attack against Iran
You have no idea what you are talking about
HeadInTheBog more like
The reason he broke the ceasefire is well known - it was purely political. He needed the vote of Ben-Gvir (a convicted terrorist) to pass the budget. The quid pro quo was the war to recommence.
Hamas have been a busted flush for well over a year. There was no way they could attack anything or anyone. 80% of Gaza is in full military control of the IDF.
Like this current campaign against Iran, this is exactly the same plan of the alleged War Criminal (at large) - keep himself in power. Especially as he was having a lot of trouble with his govt. about to fall. Also, this campaign will stall his domestic criminal case for corruption yet again.
Is that you would have liked them to have done?
They don't need to launch missiles. A regular ballistic missile can only hit a single target, where a plane can hit multiple targets. Obviously over time the number of sorties will reduce as there's less and less targets. But Israel are certainly not as limited as Iran. Iran depends on their finite ballistic missiles which are so inaccurate they are struggling to take out Israel's air defense. Quality over quantity!
Mod - please keep it civil, other poster are not the topic.
Israel are currently striking surface to surface missiles in Iran.
RIP to all those souls lost to this conflict :(
Correct, this thread is about Israel vs. Iran. However it should be noted that Iran is actively fuelling the largest land war in Europe by supplying weapons to the aggressor that are mainly used against civilians.
People in both Israel and Ukraine tonight need to be ready to run to bomb shelters at a seconds notice for the same reason - Iranian drones and missiles. That should make this conflict a very simple one to pick sides on.
As to your alleged genocide, do you think that the Ayatollahs and their whole "Death to Israel" schtick give two s***s about how Israel treats the Palestinians?
”Alleged genocide”. A genocide that is recognised as a genocide by people who have devoted their lives to studying genocide. Thanks for your input Sean but I will put more stock in the opinion of experts in genocide rather than its defenders.
As you well know, Israelis have no issue stating and writing graffiti "gas the Arabs".
But at this moment in time, there is only one State in the region who currently has active military campaigns against its neighbours - Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, The West Bank, East Jerusalem.
And they are all actively fulfilling the Likud mantra of "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".
And don't forget, in this current campaign with Iran, Israel attacked first. Regardless of whatever anyone in the region says, it is only Israel that is acting out its warmongering.
I agree with this post but equating the bombs Israel has dropped on Gaza with them being able to do the same to Iran doesn't stack up. Gaza is on their doorstep. Iran is a long flight away.
As you say, if Israel is not launching ground based missiles, it's air power alone that they have as the advantage. I've no clue about detailed military strategies but making some sort of equivalency between Gaza and Iran doesn't make sense to me. And if Israel is fighting on multiple fronts, that must stretch resources to the limit - especially when Israeli reservists are now refusing to fight.
It's certain that more civilians will die on both sides - and that's just more human misery stacked upon the abhorrent campaign of Israel in Gaza.
"Iranian security forces located a three-story Israeli drone factory inside Iran, the semi-official IRGC-linked Tasnim news agency reports.
According to the report, Tehran believes other sites are present in the country, and security forces are operating against them."
some serious planning gone into Fridays attack by israel
The only reason I mentioned Gaza was the sheer number of bombs Israel dropped via planes on Gaza. I'm certainly not saying Israel will drop the same amount on Iran, which is over 1000 miles away. I'm simply stating that Israel is attacking Iran with bombs and I don't think they will run out of them before Iran run out of ballistic missiles.
If Iran want to take out a soft target in Israel, they can launch 50 missiles (about $250mil) and perhaps 5 get through, but the CEP is high they may not actually hit the target (some Iranian missiles have CEP ranging from 30m to 3km!). Compared to a single F15 with 6 JDAMS, hitting 6 targets with pinpoint accuracy for less than $1 million (excluding $100mil for the plane, but that's reusable)
Israel have shown they can accurately hit targets in Lebanon and now Iran with minimal civilian casualties, they won't be aiming to level all of Iran like they have done in Gaza.
I would have thought that even Israel's fiercest detractors could recognise the FACT that Israel has made EUROPE safer by the actions it has take. Surely, the fact that Israel did us all a massive favour is something that we could all agree on?
And should we not be primarily concerned with the affairs of our own continent?
As to your "only Israel acting out warmongering" that is BS. For a long time, Iran has been cleverly waging a proxy war on Israel. Iranian weapons, money, training, just being used by proxies like Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis etc. Israel have been content to play along - only responding to the puppets, not the puppeteer, but Iran's development of highly enriched uranium (and lying to the IAEA about it) changed the balanced to the point where that was simply no longer an option.
As to your comment about the graffiti, that does indeed sounds disgusting but there's a difference between graffiti and official government policy. "Death to Israel, Death to America" is Iran's government policy … and in practice, Death to Ukraine.
Are you trying to imply SeanW makes it up as he goes along? Do you not realise he will be mounting the defense of Bibi if he ever gets to the Hague based on the Karadzic doctrine: it couldn't possibly be genocide because we killed comparatively few compared to other conflicts despite the capabilites we have. Of course he doesn't use this defense of Nuclear armed Russia, he is happy to abandon this argument to conclude Russia is guilty of commiting genocide based on his own political ideology of condemning war crimes selectively. SeanW the genocide apologist who claims to be against genocide
The only reason Israel attacked Iran is so that they can distract the world from what they are doing in Gaza.
Earlier this year Tulsi Gabbard said Iran does not have nuclear weapons and is not in the process of building any as you can see bellow.
https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-iran-nuclear-weapon-2051523
Meanwhile Bibi claims Iran could have nuclear weapons tomorrow, in 3 months, a year etc. Every time he mentions Iran's nuclear capability, he changes how long it will take Iran to have nuclear weapons. As Tulsi said Iran does not have nuclear weapons and is not actively planning to obtain them. So its obvious that Bibi is lying.
Bibi needs this war to distract from Gaza and also his fraud trial.
So Iran with it's "Death to Israel, Death to America" (and Death to Ukraine) is all fine an dandy? Are you defending the Ayatollahs?
I would have thought Israel vs. Iran (the latter directly threatening Europe by arming Russia) to be clear cut.
Could you perhaps show us some documents where the official Iranian government policy is “death to Israel”.
Sorry, you just lost any credibility with "Tulsi Gabbard" she is a Russian stooge.
Sorry, I'm not an expert on Iran government documents. I only go by what they say, and what they do.
As for how this affects Europe:
Shahed Drone Supply Collapses — Putin’s Drone Strategy Crumbles
Israel has done us a massive favour.
**** me, the world is at a stage were countries (well, just one) is going to war over words, some country/government said some bad **** about us, lets send in the bombers?
No SeanW it's not fine whether it's Iranian or Israeli government ministers uttering genocidal intent. The difference is one side is actually comitting genocide and you are quite happy to defend it.
I am reserving judgment whether he makes things up or not based on his providing links to official Iranian government documents outlining death to Israel as official policy. One cannot argue that Rhetoric equaks official government policy then argue Israel is absolutely not genocidal. A claim that the entire raison d’etre of Iran was to annihilate Israel has already shown to be false.
Words manifest in actions - as the Ayatollahs have been doing, yes absolutely.
Ok, so why have Iran been waging a proxy war against Israel and Sunni Islamic nations? And why are they collaborating with Russia to commit genocide against Ukrainians (and whoever Russia decides to attack next)?
But you can’t show us one proving what you just claimed. Sigh ☹️
I would also ask you why are nations still assisting Israel in commiting genocide in Gaza and whoever they decide to attack next in order for Bibi to avoid his day of reckoning?
Seeing geopolitics purely through the prism of one conflict, one is invested in, is not perhaps the best vantage point from which to make morality calls.
You are aware that trade between Russia and Israel continues to boom and Israel has not imposed any sanctions on Russia. Per capita trade between Russia and Israel is 5 times larger than between Russia and Iran.
Pathetic. You made a claim so back it up. You are clearly not a expert on genocide but that doesn't stop you pretending to be.
I spent a few minutes on search engines.
Their parliamentarians stated the phrase in the Iranian parliament in their response to the 7/October/2023 attacks:The Attack on Israel Was a Message From Iran - The Atlantic
They use it as a cheer for their newly appointed presdients:Iranian president sworn in with chants of 'Death to America, Israel' | Reuters
and they use it in their military parades:Iran marks Army Day with cries of 'Death to Israel, US' | The Times of Israel
and they use the phrase to commemorate anniversaries of the rise of the regime in 1979.'Death to Israel, death to America': Iran marks anniversary of 1979 embassy takeover | The Times of Israel
But hey, I guess they don't really mean it 😏
Is it that you lack self awareness or is this a deliberate strategy whereby you just hope no one will highlight your double standards when it comes to genocidal rhetoric. As was pointed out to you previously you condemn utterances of genocidal rhetoric selectively. Worse than that you actively support a nation that is actively commiting genocide . SeanW who claims to be against genocide while supporting it.
