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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Woodcutting




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Is girlfriend or ex of brother of alleged perp:

    (1) still alive

    (2) in Ireland

    ?

    Rita Fortune.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Does the state provide alternative accommodation for the current owners of that house while the search is ongoing?

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Edit: Post removed due to incorrect info

    Post edited by caviardreams on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,150 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That's not the policy of the State Claims Agency. In general, as the minister said herself, they contest the claims i.e. do not pay compensation.

    There is a possibility they will make an exception here but it would definitely be an exception.

    I've seen photos of a house that a guy who was involved in crypto crime was living in post search. They effectively demolished it inside looking for a usb drive. House had to be sold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Could have various business interests. If it is or was recruitment would make it easier to fix false alibis, I'm guessing.

    Wonder if he'll be staying in the family home, wife and kids must have been getting a bit worried last day or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭headnorth


    Cops know who murdered who in this country. Getting evidence and pinning it on the sick fcuks is another story. Jo Jo, Prender, McCarrick,Sinnott, ,breen, Mary Boyle, kerry babies, loads more victims dead and still waiting to be found… a sad oul sod we live on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭DmanDmythDledge


    That's 100% not him - that individual is based near Limerick.

    The man who was arrested is a company director but his wealth doesn't appear to be in the company. By the sounds of things he invested in property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭headnorth


    If the thompson twins lended the brady bunch a shovle then the gillis would find a plot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    The owners are obliging the state authorities to vacate their home /house...no doubt alternative accomodation has to be provided by the state

    Post edited by cap.in.hand. on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,195 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The quotes from the Minister are a bit contrafictory.

    It makes specific reference to:

    the Gardaí have no legal liability to the property owner for the damage caused in forcing entry to the property in those circumstances. 

    That relates to damage to gain entry.

    Pointedly it is silent on legal liability wrt damage during searches, negligent or otherwise.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    I'm speculating, here, but I'd say there has to be some kind of compensation, even if it gets only as far as a refund, rather than awarding anything extra for the hassle (I bet they have some sort of insurance). For instance, if the Gardaí end up demolishing your house looking for human remains in the walls, and you're not among the suspects in the least, I find it impossible to think you'd be saddled with the full cost of the repairs. I would find it more plausible to think that if a culprit is found some of the costs could be passed on to them at the end of the trial. Similarly, they probably have some package deal with some hotels or give out vouchers to those they kicked out to do the search.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    There was renovation work going on, bulider's skips etc. But the search had been pre-planned and had nothing to do with the building work. It's not surprising that people would jump to conclusions.

    From today's IT

    "Before the search began on Thursday morning, skips with construction waste were seen outside the house as renovation work was under way. However, The Irish Times has established that nothing connected to Ms McCarrick was found during the recent work at the house to prompt the Garda excavation."

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2025/06/14/annie-mccarrick-search/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭Xander10


    I'll give it a miss. Flaws in above too. Yes the Glencullen link is probably false

    She didn't work in a nearby bakery, it was Java Coffee. She wouldn't have bought ingredients for work. It was likely to bake stuff for her birthday on the next day.

    The answer is in the phone call to the person she agreed to meet that day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Woodcutting




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭csirl


    Gardai are under pressure from the US re this case. Likely outcome is that nothing is found, but the public impression is given that they know who did it, thus allowing them to draw a line under the case.

    Locally, people think this search is very odd and would be shocked if anything came out of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Could AGS have been concerned that the building work might destroy or damage evidence so they wanted to get in and search first?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭csirl


    The major renovation was largely complete by the time AGS arrived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭LunaLoo


    Unlikely To be that considering the entire house has been remodelled since it was sold by the suspects family



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Police brutality is no substitute for good police work. Never was (Kerry Babies, Sallins robbery, Guildford Four, Birmingham Six), and never will be.

    Now we are seeing Garda failures in basic investigative techniques - the absence of forensics for Sophie Toscan du Plantier, the embarrassing failures of physical searches for Tina Satchwell and Mike Gaines, egregious delays in investigations for "missing" women (e.g. Fiona Pender, Imelda Keane), wild goose chases (Annie McCarrick, Joanne Hayes). No prizes to the media who cooked up a bogus "vanishing triangle" to explain away many of these failures.

    We are fortunate that forensic science and data has advanced to the point where it provides the foundation for most criminal convictions because independent witnesses who will give evidence for the prosecution are increasingly rare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭Field east


    what I find ABSOLUTLY baffling is the fact that she was expecting two friends for dinner and went as far as putting her shopping on the table and left there without unpacking. So this leads me to the following two points- and especially in the context of the apparent sighting at Foxes which is MILES AWAY :-

    (1) if she was expecting two of her friends for dinner - which was about thanking them for all they had done for her re settling in in Ireland - she would surely have contacted them to say that there was a change of plans eg hse had a bad cold and therefor postpone it. IMO she must have been shortly - and maybe even VERY SHORTLY- kidnapped/attacked after entering her flat with the groceries

    (2) in normal circumstances, the VAST MAJORITY of individuals would have the habit of urging the groceries ‘away, as soon as they come in the door of their accommodation - unless a child’s nappy needs to be immediately or whatever. But Annie did not get a chance to do this. She therefor must have been fairly immediately aphrended after she left her purchases on the table

    The above begs the question as to why her accommodation was not immediately designated as a crime scene or at least a l’ location of interest ‘ and SEAL IT OFF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭csirl


    One of the complications with the current cold case review is that they are reviewing statements taken from people who were subjected to Heavy Gang style interviews at the time which casts doubt on the accuracy of any information obtained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    This is the same way I feel about the half-eaten breakfast roll, you would finish it off unless you were called away by somebody, maybe urgently. That is another story however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    More than likely that'd be the current thinking now with investigation team ... better late than ever …it has the hallmarks of a crime of passion written on it as she was in a relationship with suspect in 1989 and after him a relationship with another boyfriend for 2 years that finished in 1991 when she went back to college in us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭tibruit


    "No prizes to the media who cooked up a bogus "vanishing triangle"…."

    Unfortunately there is nothing bogus about the vanishing triangle. It is a fact that seven young women disappeared in Leinster between `93 and `98. It is also a fact that Larry Murphy was caught in the act attempting to disappear a young woman who was a stranger to him after his pre-planned abduction of her in Carlow town in 2000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Did Annie phone someone else after the woman who couldn’t meet her? Journalist Mick Rooney said when Annie’s flatmate returned on Sunday there was an open telephone directory on the table and there were reports from local shops that she used the call box that day. Flatmate also said the groceries were found inside the door of the apartment. I can see how a person might drop a shopping bag to answer a ringing phone.
    Mick Rooney said the brother & girlfriend arrived at 8 on Sat, got no answer, went to the pub, then the brother rang Annie’s mother in New York to get the apartment phone number as he couldn’t remember it (approx at 55-56m in video). Is that not odd - ringing NY from a public payphone in 93 to get Annies number?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVhQBHPBiXE

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    The greatest disservice done to most of these women was the nonsense "vanishing triangle" trying to link all these disappearances together with a bogey man when in fact in the majority of cases the chief suspect was either a partner of known to them.

    4kwp South East facing PV System. 5.3kwh Weco battery. South Dublin City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭Xander10


    The Gardai have a record of phone numbers for calls made to the Apt on the day she went missing. Not disclosed to the public, but I feel the biggest clue is in there.

    The couple rang her mother the following day, because they were clearly concerned given she was an organized person and had made arrangements to meet people and this was clearly our of character.

    The Gardai using the Johnny Fox area as the base for the search, must have made the killer feel somewhat safe



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    It always puzzles me how some people can kill in cold blood and then just go back to their lives normally with absolutely no guilt or a bad conscience sometimes for decades before they are finally caught. There must be way more psychopaths in society than we think.



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