Tell us what model/year it is @September1?
now real, not soon
For robotaxi in Austin, its HW4 model Y, unmodified. But running a newer version of FSD. Another version of FSD is in the works due out later in the year. The version now live in Austin robotaxi is enough to do the job. Expecting some kind of event on 12th June. But for the first few days/weeks, it will be invite-only not open to public. I guess that will come towards end of June but depends on how things go with the initial phase.
Tentative 22nd June to start public robotaxi, depending on how rollout is going.
Thank God we have eyes on the ground over there 👍️
Yep.
Funding secured.
Advertise for about €2.5k off a dealers price seen from Vector or Walker or even the Tesla pre-owned section and aim to sell for €3k less
The second hand EV market isn't broken, it's just young. I paid just over €40k for my RWD M3 in 2023… At the time the same car was bizzarely more expensive second hand.
Important to remember as well that ~€12k extra you've spent you now don't need to spend when upgrading because of the price decrease so you're not necessarily losing out
It honestly makes me smile that you comment in the same tone and short sentences that Musk uses in tweets.
I just think of “funding secured”, “promising” and so on and on :)
OT - Bloomberg said yesterday that these Y’s they’re using in Austin tomorrow (Thurs) will apparently have a lot more “sensors”, but Tesla aren’t saying what they actually are 😀🙄. This was always going to have to be the case of course, it’s just musk refusing to admit camera-only won’t reach the bar set by the regulators
Glad to bring you joy, as well as concise information.
I think Bloomberg has wrong info. Tesla were using some cars with more sensors for validation purposes. Musk has stated clearly yesterday that the actual cars rolling out in Austin are unmodified Y. No extra sensors. Just vision.
I am sure it will be a success like hyperloop, solar roofs, the boring company, starship commercial flights, (around the world in 20 minutes and then a return flight after a 30 minute refuel) and going to mars in 2026.
I am really waiting on optimus and star ship any updates on those 2?
Good point about comparing to current pricing model of new cars. If you have bought white car this is now premium spec but if you bought a grey car this is now basic spec.
Generally i am of the mind to admire those who try and innovate, of course you will failures along the way but you have to admire the ambition, of course you could just sneer as well i suppose…
Well if Musk said it, it must be true.
Ah here. Musk has been less than accurate with his predictions. In fact it's got to the stage that there's a Wikipedia page devoted to his autonomous driving predictions. Not surprising that many take a cynical view of this now. Never mind the clear issues with camera dependant systems.
You can actually see them on street in Austin. No extra sensors. He'd be a proper fool to blatanty lie about something that is there to be readily and easily verified.
I lost my 10k deposit as my car was written off and I only received market value. Statements like the last line of your post are only accurate if you're trading in for a new tesla and you can afford to add a new deposit again. Otherwise it's not accurate.
What is the second Model Y following them around doing? At this stage none of us know what hardware is used in the car or who is even controlling it.
That's probably the guy with the remote control for when something goes wrong.
Optimus: expected to have 5000 (a Roman legion) produced this year (I think, mentioned up thread) and something like 50,000 next year. The initial run will go towards working in Tesla factories. I assume this will be a useful way of finding and fixing any problems. Maybe these are very optimistic projections given that they are currently refining designs of the production line.
Starship: still in development/test. It has been developed at lightening pace for that industry sector. Expecting to make orbit in the next 2 flights and possibly landing starship back at base on the 2nd of those. Refueling test on orbit expect in coming months. Use for starlink deployment expected early enough this year also - this is the real bread winner. They are 100% commited to sending approx 5 ships to Mars for the 2026 launch window. Once operational (this year), it will be capable of providing launch capabilies at a fraction of the current costs for launch. Multiple launch sites are under development at the cape, expecting around 75 launches per year from there initially when up and running.
Solar roof: One of the success stories of Tesla.
Boring company: ongoing development and some good success. They now have a machine that requires no human operators in tunnel, a holy grail of boring tunnels.
Hyperloop: still a research phase thing, no commercial goals there I think?
Tesla AI: world leader
Overall, not too bad. Actually, if you stop and think about it, amazing.
of course he has, but he has done a lot more than anyone else to drive it forward, visionaries are always overly optimistic, its a tool to drive their workforce mostly.
I always thought it was a tool to drive the share price. These announcements always seemed to coincide with a slump.
Either way, it leaves a gaping hole in his credibility.
and yet if he delivers it no one will care about false dawns, i think he has enough credibility built up at this point if he never succeeds in anything again.
"If"
We'll see.
It makes sense that you would receive the market value for your car and with that you should have the money to buy the same make/model/mileage etc. Or am I missing something? Your deposit was 'lost' the day you handed it over in lieu of the car, was it not?
Of course that's what Tesla want is for you to stay with them so I'm sure that's part of the thinking, however they are not the only ones to have dropped prices so you could probably afford many other makes/models as well
In other cars I would have a balance remaining after 2-3 years in excess of the GFMV to use as the deposit for the next car. Instead I received the market value which was less than the outstanding balance.
Elon's incessant price drops over the 24 month period (54k to 37k for the car I had) meant I would have been handing the car back at the end of the agreement as it wasn't worth the GFMV.
I presume you mean the GMFV on a PCP? I would have thought that whatever the insurance paid out would have gotten you another car of a similar make/model/mileage and at the end of your term you could just hand that in for the GMFV
In the event that the car wasn't written off, you could have handed the car back at the end of the term or you could have bought the car outright for less than the GMFV, could you not?
true but similar with VW on price drops and effectively audi as well given the way they have depreciated.
Yes, PCP GFMV, it was about 9 months to end of term. Settlement was 24 at end of PCP, current balance was 31k from memory at time of accident. Insurance offered 27k to start, i bargained them up to 31k so it was net zero. I would have handed it back but it was cat D damaged, so I'd have had to repair it before handing back.
You can't trade what car your PCP is on.
At the end of the PCP you either pay the GFMV or hand the car back , or sell it for in excess of the GFMV and the sale price less the GFMV is yours.
Started by elon's drops.
So you had the GMFV paid off? I'm failing to see the problem being honest… Would the 31k have bought you the same car with that age and mileage? Buying the PCP would have cost you the same thing like in any case.
The price of car batteries was coming down at the time, if Elon didn't drop the prices then some other manufacturer would have, especially on the back of BYD's introduction. We'd also have far less EVs physically on the road and far less interest in EVs which would in turn have knocked resale values as well.
