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jsd1004

There is a bus lane near my house. The main road ends in a right turn. The left is a BUS LANE. HUNDREDS of drivers queue in the bus lane to go straight on. Results in the farcical situation where the bus uses the empty car lane to progress. I do the correct procedure and drive in the car lane until the bus lane ends and then merge left. This irritates the drivers in the bus lane queueing illegally. Someone tell these sheep to not queue in a bus lane.

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Miscreant

Why not stand at the end of the bus lane and tell them yourself? I don't think anyone here knows where you're referring to.

As the old song goes: if you want something done right, do it yourself.

jsd1004

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123521621#Comment_123521621

You are right. Most people including yourself dont understand simple stuff.

kirving

Unless you post the location, no one can really make a judgment as to whether it's reasonable or not to do.

Are they using the bus lane to go straight, so as to free up the driving lane for traffic which turns right at the junction, and so doesn't block up junctions back up the road?

Does the bus go right or straight? If it goes straight, are drives OK about letting the bus in to go straight, as they're aware they're blocking the lane, and just get upset with what you do?

jsd1004

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123521645#Comment_123521645

It is never reasonable to use a bus lane if you are a car driver. I should not have to explain that. (even if you are broken down you should stop in the car lane, There is no excuse to be in a bus lane).

jsd1004

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123521679#Comment_123521679

The guards occasionally stop the whole row of traffic in the bus lane and give out tickets to everyone but the sheep are back in the row the following day.

jsd1004

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123521679#Comment_123521679

Another classic is to use the bus lane for turning left..for several kilometers before the junction. Cruising along undertaking suckers obeying the law with their indicator on.

extra-ordinary_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058415244/sheep

"The main road ends in a right turn. The left is a BUS LANE. HUNDREDS of drivers queue in the bus lane to go straight on"

Name the junction, as what you've written here makes no sense - the road ends with a right turn but you can continue on straight - what does that even mean?

jsd1004

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123521722#Comment_123521722

Its not rocket science. The main car lane ends with a turn to the right but you can veer left as the road terminates into the end of the bus lane and continue straight following the road markings.

jsd1004

https://maps.app.goo.gl/pgV2NVGHKr9mgqHa6
Here you can see the issue. Car is in the bus lane but should be in right lane and veering left. On a bad day you will have hundreds of cars in the bus lane and the main road completely free.

T-Maxx

I must be a genius. I know exactly what the OP is referring to.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123521715#Comment_123521715

Its like parking on double yellow lines. Its legal once you have your hazard warning lights on😂

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123521627#Comment_123521627

Oh, I perfectly understand what you were saying. I don't drive in bus lanes and this scenario you describe is frustrating. I was giving advice on telling these sheep that they're wrong and you're best placed to do that seeing as you are there often. Otherwise go to your local Garda station and make a complaint. They might send a car and give some warnings and the behaviour will stop for a couple of days before going back to what it is now.

Unless there's a camera put there, or a permanent Garda presence, this behaviour will continue anyway.

BrianD3

Once one does it, others will follow, yes they're like sheep. They won't want to be the outlier that gets hung out to dry while attempting to get into the left hand lane at the end of the bus lane. A bus that has taken to the right hand lane to pass the idiots in the bus lane has some chance of getting back into the left as might is right. Bus = wolf.

What is at the end of the bus lane in terms of road markings, is it clear that traffic in the bus lane should yield or is it unclear.

artanevilla

Maybe have a chat with the farmer.

fonecrusher1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123522246#Comment_123522246

Exactly. Have a chat. Get it sorted.

Seth Brundle

There is something similar in Lucan coming from Superquinn/Supervalu southbound towards Adamstown. On most occasions, traffic heading left or straight sits in the bus lane and it feels great to drive up past them and wait just before the yellow box with my left indicator flashing…

https://maps.app.goo.gl/fLsA9iDCf3CXouuz9?g_st=ac

Fallout2022

You'll often have to encroach early into a bus lane to make a turn into a petrol station, an off ramps or to make a left turn ahead. To wait to the last second and meter is impractical and likely dangerous.

Any pedantic 'but it's the law' just demonstrates naivety and lack of common sense.

In general bus lanes are a blight on our roads. If there were a usable and fit for purpose bus service then there might be some little justification for this grab of road space off the people who actually own and paid for it.

extra-ordinary_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123522243#Comment_123522243

Yes…who has right-of-way there - the bus exiting the bus lane or the traffic entering the straight ahead lane? I thought bus lanes usually ended with a yield symbol.

Seth Brundle

In the OP's link, the bus lane continues as the straight ahead so a bus would have priority. Traffic in the regular lane needs to change lane to continue straight ahead

McGrath5

A new bus lane was installed on the Killinniny Road in Firhouse, idiots blocking the bus lane while the bus ironically uses the car lane. Nothing better driving up the car lane to skip them all.

jsd1004

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123522514#Comment_123522514

This attitude is the exact reason that bus usage is not practical in this country. The only solution is to make bus lanes inaccessable to cars by raised kerb or otherwise, or else permanent cameras to fine for encroachment. We should do it properly or not at all.

BrianD3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123523518#Comment_123523518

The bus lane has a white line at the end of it though. The driving lane has a white line to the side. So, in that situation, who has priority, neither? This looks like a typical ass covering exercise by the Council, danger danger danger, let's throw down some white paint and let driver figure it out for themselves.

The example in Lucan is far clearer. The bus lane has a white line at the end of it, the driving lane does not have a white line to its side. The bus has to yield.

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123521679#Comment_123521679

Is it reasonable to use a bus lane to avoid a child who runs out in front of me?
What if I break down at 18.59 and the bus lane is 07:00-19:00?
How about to get around a fallen tree in the road at 4am?

Say I'm at the green position below, planning to go straight. Traffic going straight is at a complete standstill due to a crash. Nothing has moved in 5 minutes. Is it reasonable for me to enter the bus lane 5 meters early and let two busses sitting behind me (who want to turn right up ahead) get past? What if it was a fire brigade behind me trying to get to that very crash?

There's far more to what constitutes "reasonable" use of the roads than you make out.

Drivers who are queued in the bus lane aren't seeking to gain any advantage. They're collectively agreeing to do their best to keep the right lane free for people who want to turn right up ahead. Can you understand why they see you as taking advantage of that collective agreement?

If they're allowing busses who drive up on the right side, back into the queue with no issue, then that's not unreasonable IMO. The council should look at the road design.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123525285#Comment_123525285

The bus lane has a white line at the end of it though. The driving lane has a white line to the side. So, in that situation, who has priority, neither? This looks like a typical ass covering exercise by the Council, danger danger danger, let's throw down some white paint and let driver figure it out for themselves.

In the OP's link ( https://maps.app.goo.gl/pgV2NVGHKr9mgqHa6 ) there isn't any ambiguity. If someone driving a car wants to continue straight ahead then they must change lane into the left lane.

The example in Lucan is far clearer. The bus lane has a white line at the end of it, the driving lane does not have a white line to its side. The bus has to yield.

I think the white line is there to separate the bus lane from the yellow box but nonetheless, people pretty much always block both the yellow box and the bus lane. I wouldn't say that it is, as per the above post from @kirving, where drivers don't want to block the right hand lane because quite often drivers enter the bus lane quite some distance from the end of it (and often when there is space beyond the yellow box). It is more because they just do it through poor driving and apathy because "sure, nothing will happen to me so who cares". Still though, it suits me because I can drive up past them and their queueing comrades and merge left at the yellow box completely legally.

jsd1004

Shure you might as well mount the footpath too and drive down it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123529048#Comment_123529048

Again the only way a bus lane will work with drivers like yourself around is to completely segregate it with a 9inch kerb. White lines just dont work in this country.

Esel

Worst thread title ever...

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123529118#Comment_123529118

Are you going to argue the actual point I made, or just make up stuff I never said about footpaths, and then try to make it about me?

JohnC.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123529302#Comment_123529302

Maybe the arguments you are making are so stupid they don't deserve to be argued with. I mean, you seem to be under the impression going into the bus lane will help the fire brigade, when what you are actually doing is blocking them from using a clear bus lane. Something I've seen an idiot do in real life too.

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123529369#Comment_123529369

How would I be blocking them if I was in the position of the green car, in the driving lane?

As soon as I posted something that you, and the other poster know well could be argued to be reasonable enough, the argument then jumps to "drivers like yourself" and implying I'm stupif and idiotic.

Back to the original response;

It is never reasonable to use a bus lane if you are a car driver

Do you really believe that no scenario could ever exist where it may be considered reasonable to use a bus lane?

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123529769#Comment_123529769

Problem with the self righteous class prefect zealot types is that they can’t abide people using their brain to assess prevailing circumstances and react in a reasonable manner. The only way they can function is by waving the rule book around above their head and shouting thou shall not at anyone who doesn’t strictly adhere to the rules irrespective of what’s going on outside the window.