New Thread to continue discussion for General Premier League. Old thread closed.
So Spurs and Man Utd will get the same preparation time for the Europa League Final now, which is completely fair.
The previous fixture was giving a big advantage to Man Utd only instead, and giving Spurs a big disadvantage.
Why would a defender that is awful as a defender be in the conversation as the best ever defender in that position?
Best non defending defender TAA is top class but as an actual right back and what that entails? Naw, not having it.
Tbf Walker is better than Trent in that Walkers insane pace meant he generally got himself back into position before the damage was irreversible unlike Trent who needed someone like Henderson to cover up that gaping holes Trent left.
hahahahahahah Kyle Walker the greatest RB in history. That's a good one. Just because he could run fast on the recovery, to paper over his poor positioning, doesn't mean that he was a great RB, let alone the best ever. Teams used to regularly target him as he always switched off at the back post.
How you don't have Azpilcueta or Ivanovic even considered is a joke, but you have included Walker, Trent, Coleman and Zabaleta. You basically just sorted by which team has won the most PLs and included their RB, and through in Coleman on top.
Branislav Ivanovic another weird option to consider undoubtedly a natural center back but played pretty much only RB for his Chelsea career to fairly impressive results.
Pure BS alright.
Didn’t Villa vote with 3 clubs against the other 16 on something recently ?
I wonder are the premier league willing to treat those 4 teams differently.
Or it could be that they are just good pals with Daniel Levy.
Either way, I can’t find the rearranged fixtures to see if it’s leading to a FPL DGW.
If you consider Irwin a RB (and I can see why you might I just think of him as a LB in the league) then he's number 2 for me behind Walker.
Forgot Azpilicueta completely to be honest. I think my top 4 would stay the same but he's probably ahead of Zabaleta.
Few class RB's didn't have their prime years in the league unfortunately, Christian Panucci and Markus Babbel come to mind.
It's set a precedent going forward I suppose, but Villa fans can definitely feel aggrieved.
Spurs got their game moved. Disgraceful stuff. One rule for some.
I’d have Azpilicueta over every one of those, bar Trent. Thought he was a class player at his peak. Denis Irwin too even though he spent most of his time at left back. Neville was solid. Walker excellent too, lacking in the attacking department but great to stop the counters.
And that was the week leading up to the Man U game, Trent’s people would have known it was coming and nothing should have been a distraction to Liverpool or Trent that week. It showed in his performance.
I suppose if a man left his wife and said “I love you so much but here’s a better offer for me financially and I get to, eh, have a new challenge with another lady” then you’d just expect her to say “you know, I understand - thanks and good luck!”. He clearly wants to leave, so just go and stop saying things which he doesn’t really mean. And good luck to him, he’s been brilliant for Liverpool, the best right back there’s ever been in the Premier Lea, when everything is taken into consideration.
How are we all feeling about the pending "where does Trent rank in PL history of RB" click bait articles?
1. Kyle Walker
2. Trent
3. Neville
4. Coleman
5. Zabaleta
For me
Real Madrid made a €20m (£17m) bid for him in January, Liverpool chose not to accept it.
I think most fans forget the word professional . It’s a job at the end of the day,
He retired after his contract expired, same with Thiago. Neither had played in a long time and were never going to recover to play again at that age unfortunately
Did Liverpool just dump off the injured Matip? Thats pretty shìtty. I thought most teams (at least big ones) kept on injured players throughout rehab/recovery regardless of contract, they can afford it.
Life is more complicated and nuanced than that though — you can definitely both love your boyhood club that gave you your career and some of the best moments of your life, and also quite understandably want to go experience something else and get a great wage to do it. We all know how embedded he's been within his community for his whole life, and just how much work he's put into local charity stuff, local school's stuff, and hospital stuff… at 26, even with all those connections, I can see how someone might like to try moving away from the city they've spent their entire life living in up to this point and try something new.
Yeah, Real have beaten Liverpool a few times… I don't think that should be a consideration though, it's just too superficial and removed from the actual real choices of a player's real career and real life, and it's not like he's joining Utd or something. Players don't exist to tick off PR boxes... Madrid is a cool city, and Real's a massive club, about to bring in a brilliant (and Liverpool adjacent) manager, and one of his best friends already plays there.
Of course it tars his legacy more than if he'd stayed a one-club man or whatever, but that's alright. We don't need to view him as a lifetime legend kinda guy, but also don't need to begrudge him making life choices that do something other than devote his career to his boyhood team. I'm disappointed he's leaving, but I'm glad we had him. I won't be deifying him, but I also wouldn't boo him if he comes back to play at some stage.
Ultimately, we all have more important things going on in our lives than whether or not Trent stays or goes. So I think its fair enough that he bases his choices on things other than our fleeting emotional responses and reactions.
I'd agree with a lot of what you say, but, players can't have it both ways either; go for the money, but, still claim to love the club, especially when it's obvious that this has been planned from a long way out. Also going to Madrid leaves a bad taste, a club that has inflicted painful defeats to Liverpool and not being very gracious in doing so. Liverpool are also in a strong position, so it's not like he’s leaving a struggling club with no hope of winning CL in the near future, added to that it's his boyhood club, but, the way it's played out, he looks like a guy who really couldn't care less for the club and some of his displays this season look like he didn't.
I think if Liverpool sign a solid replacement they will actually be stronger, so I don't mind that he's leaving it's just the manner in how he's leaving isn't great.
Ah the Utd thing is a great story — having to win the FA cup to get into the Europa, and then having to win that to get bumped up to the Champions League is a pretty cool route through over the course of a couple years. Yeah, they'll maybe be off the pace in the CL next year in comparison to the best of the best, but there's no shortage of teams in the same boat in this expanded CL.
No one cared when it was Sevilla finishing 12th and qualifying the CL. They were happy Sevilla was winning another European trophy.
To get into the "Champions" league Utd will have to have won the FA Cup and followed it up by winning the Europa League. Utd's inclusion seems fairly fair in that sense. I suspect if the club getting in via this method wasn't Utd people wouldn't have cared as much. Are people as arsed that a club can finish 5th in the PL, go out in every cup 1st round and get a CL spot?
I don't think we can really put those sorts of pressures on players… like, these are the same clubs that break the hearts of dozens of kids and teenagers every year because they don't serve the clubs needs to a high enough standard, and the same clubs who are only too happy to offload an injured player at the end of a contract to get rid of their wages (like Matip), let lads go who are desperate to stay, or keep lads tied up who might want to leave.
We all love our clubs, but they're not benevolent. The clubs do what's good for themselves, and they're just as complicit in football's greed as the agents and players are.
I'm disappointed Trent's leaving, but I can't say the fact he's leaving on a free is part of that — I want the club to get money so they can get other good players of course, but imo that's just not any player's responsibility. I'm more just disappointed that the player wants to go somewhere else when we're in such a good position. I do also understand it though — we've only one life to live, and I can totally understand the draw to get more experience out of it rather than copy/pasting years upon years of broadly the same routines in the same place... I daresay if I was a player, I'd probably prefer to get a few different experiences out of it.
Probably because Real wouldn't pay it...
This stuff was probably informally wrapped up a long time ago.
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You don't think he genuinely loves the club? He grew up down the road and has been at the club 20 years. And he's only 26.
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its a bit **** he didnt sign a token extension with a 20m release clause to ensure the club he loves so much gets some cash.
i suppose all players are mercenaries these days.
I hold nothing against Trent for leaving. But just leave, don’t say how much you love the club and fans as you’re walking away for a better offer. He can’t have his cake and eat it.
1-0 to palace via eze pen. though i do think forest should have had one shortly before HT
Yeah I agree I think he'll be great for them, just makes so much sense on both sides.
They'll hire Alonso too who is used to playing with Frimpong really successfully last few years so that will be his role
If he fails there, Liverpool will take him back, if he succeeds he'll be there for the rest of his elite career before going off the States
