A girl I work with lives in Blanchardstown, she drives daily to Summerhill in her car. Why t f?
What’s wrong with a modest hatch back?
She’s unmarried and no kids. What the f does she need it for?
The need of a commercial vehicle relates to its design/performance and features etc. It's not all about 'cheap tax'. The cost of private tax would be passed on to business customers; we all end up paying more.
I and others would require a second/third car, otherwise you'd have me up for committing tax fraud for stopping at the shop. It would be so impractical that commercial tax would become unviable for all; why have it then for any vehicle - make it the same across the board.
You're also ignoring the classic cars, but are they somehow 'better'?
you can tax it privately if you want. it's perfectly possible to tax a van, for example - a vehicle designed for commercial use - with a private tax designation.
did you think it was not possible to do so? you buy the vehicle you need for your business, and then if you intend to use it privately too, tax it privately.
e.g.
https://www.completecar.ie/askusanything/question/17292/Can-I-insure-and-tax-a-van-privately-in-Ireland
did you think it was not possible to do so?
I've literally stated a few posts ago that some do tax them as private. I specifically mentioned the justification requirements to avail of this and the alternate being private.
This just dodges what I wrote though. Dual use is acknowledged and catered for by insurance companies knowing full well they are primarily used for the users business/trade/profession. Going by your wishes, I'd be up for tax fraud for stopping at the shop on my way home in a commercially taxed vehicle. The practicalities and enforcement are laughable really.
I'll repeat myself in saying this is not a 'tax' issue. It's curtain twitching judgement.
😯This is beyond silly.
The poster was clearly and correctly, albeit somewhat sardonically, pointing out the fact that SUV-child pedestrian collisions were extremely rare. They did not claim that such collisions never occurred. That was a strawman.
As to this other nonsense suggesting it's OK for SUVs to ram a small number of children … where to start. First of all, there isn't exactly a fixed quota anyone has in mind. If a driver causes the death of a child, regardless of whether they did so intentionally (i.e. actually using their vehicle as a ram) or through gross negligence, they are to blame. That's not OK.
On the other hand, if the driver had been acting in a reasonable manner and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, then that's a tragedy, but it doesn't really make sense to put them emphasis on the driver or their vehicle. Obviously, the fewer of these cases, the better.
Outside of that, all we can do is look at the data and evidence - or in your case, use absurd language and use dead children as props in your theatrics.
This is one of a number of silly arguments going on here.
Say you have a van on which you pay commercial tax rates. 99% of your use of the van is indeed for commercial purposes connected to your trade or business, but you very occasionally use it for a trip to the shop or for some other private/domestic need. Should you be paying the private motor tax rate on it instead, for the sake of this 1% of use?
If "yes", then that would be a pretty extreme view.
If "no, just occasional use like that would be tolerable, albeit not strictly legal", then please tell at what percentage you'd draw the limit for personal use.
If they tax it privately then it’s perfectly legal. No need for the whataboutery.
They are 5 seater vehicles.
Some are, others aren't. It's not always about passengers either.
It still does nothing to answer the realistic practicalities. The result would be to do away with commercial tax altogether, who would pay the costs of businesses having additional costs - the consumer.
I am glad no one supporting the "just pay the private tax" to justify the minimal private use ever conduct personal business during work time….
If they tax it privately then it’s perfectly legal.
that's what i've been saying all along.
you very occasionally use it for a trip to the shop or for some other private/domestic need. Should you be paying the private motor tax rate on it instead, for the sake of this 1% of use?If "yes", then that would be a pretty extreme view.
you very occasionally use it for a trip to the shop or for some other private/domestic need. Should you be paying the private motor tax rate on it instead, for the sake of this 1% of use?
AFAIK, according to the law, if it's used at all for private purposes, it should be taxed privately. as in, you're not allowed used it for private benefit and the moment you do so, that's when the tax fraud (or whatever you want to call it) occurs. but we know there's zero policing of that.
i'm hardly going to sweat an 'oh ****, the car has a flat tyre and i need to get the dinner for tonight, will use the work van' sort of use myself.
Saying it but ignoring the practicalities and reality of it.
I'm not a hypocrite, unlike many posters. I'll tell you straight out I've had many crew cabs taxed, insured and used for some private purposes outside of work.
It's completely impractical and almost unenforceable.
Any self employed person ie. farmer/tradesman who drives a commercially taxed vehicle is going to use it for some amount of private use.
The sooner this law is revised the better.
Of course commercial vehicle drivers can't avail of the same private tax rates as car drivers.
The private tax rates for commercial vehicles are still based on the old engine capacity rates.
So just lump businesses with more cost…who will that also affect?
I think you may be misunderstanding my position.
I think the rules need to be changed to make life easier for businesses and self employed.
Just accept that the vehicles will be used to some extent for private purposes.
Yes, Guilty, I had misunderstood.
A Rav4 is around 200 to tax privately. Or 333 to tax commercially. How on gods green earth are you gaining an advantage by taxing it commercially?
Those who think SUVs should be banned because they’ll kill and maim all round them better avert their gaze from the top 20 EV sales to date 2025
Yes the advantages can be overstated.
I haven't seen any of the current model RAV4 commercialed or the previous model for that matter.
Even if you did one you'd also be looking at annual CVRT at €131.41 not to mention only having two seats.
The big saving come with the high spec crew cabs which would cost a fortune to buy as a private car due to exorbitant vrt and co2 based motor tax as well as very high running costs. The cost of a private Ford Raptor 3l v6 petrol would be eye watering compared to the benefit of buying and taxing as a commercial vehicle
Well, there you go, then.
Correct that strictly speaking and according to the law, a vehicle that's taxed according to commercial rates must be used solely and wholly for commercial purposes. If the owner uses it even only occasionally for domestic/personal purposes, they obviously don't comply with this.
But If you're not going to sweat it over a "commerical" vehicle being used for occasional domestic/personal purposes, then you're not sticking to your guns on this one. You're instead accepting the Irish solution to the Irish problem: "ah sure, if it's only the odd time, then what's the harm?"
This shows why it was one of the silly arguments here in the first place.
If I had the energy, I'd tackle another one, involving dear old Andy, who has yet again misinterpreted, misunderstood, or chosen to ignore something that's actually been written, and who's instead continuing to portray it as what he thinks has been written.
Because this thread is all over the place already, I'd like to point out that it's actually illegal to drive a commercially taxed vehicle on a Sunday, or so a dealership owner told my father in 1998 when he was buying a 2 year old commercially taxed Land Rover Discovery (that had 7 seats btw) .
Don't know if it's actually true or not but when my dad asked him if the tax would stay commercially with change of ownership he said yes, the only thing is you're technically not meant to drive them on Sundays!
Ah I think you're father was told a tall tale
Absulutely.
Otherwise there would be no taxis, buses, courier deliveries, ambulances etc. on Sundays.
we thought he was joking first, but i was once party to a conversation where a farmer i know who had bought a van, was told by a neighbour of his that he was not allowed have sex in the van because it was a commercial vehicle. that it was not allowed to be used 'for pleasure' under the terms of the categorisation.
Does that hold true for my privately taxed N1 EV that is 120 per annum to tax, I could tax it commercially at 333 per year, but as I use it for both I can tax it privately and save 213 euro per annum?
Nowadays when you buy a second hand van you can drive on until the tax runs out.
When you go to renew you need to prove business use and fill out form rf 111a to declare you will only use it for commercial.
After that renewals can be done online.
A lot of posters are full sure that private motor tax is much more expensive than commercial tax, when in reality it's not always more expensive. In a lot of cases, such as yours, it's vastly cheaper to tax privately.
Surely this limitation would only apply on the public road!
It depends on the nature of the sex.
If the sex is either social, domestic or for pleasure (SDP) you're ok.
Any other class of sex isn't allowed 🙂
