A girl I work with lives in Blanchardstown, she drives daily to Summerhill in her car. Why t f?
What’s wrong with a modest hatch back?
She’s unmarried and no kids. What the f does she need it for?
Don't bother quoting me, i prob won't read it.
It's easier to stick your fingers in your ears and tell yourself you're right.
too big/heavy for the streets of any Irish city/town/village
This is simply made up nonsense by someone who clearly has an agenda they don't wish to have questioned.
I'm not reading all that blather, there no sense to be had from it..
Will just say that if someone can't see that a large heavy vehicle is overkill for the majority of people, that they are bad for the environment, a danger to every other road user, too big/heavy for the streets of any Irish city/town/village then I can't help you.
Let's hope the Government and local councils take after Paris and ban them or heavily taxes them out of existence…
And for your other friend there, here's an article from "The Times" to satisfy the snobbery:
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/paris-targets-ban-on-range-rovers-and-other-luxury-suvs-wjgr9xt0b
Details about the type of vehicle involved in crashes like this can take a while to come out.
Everyone? In all cases?
you show your snobbery
Oh really, snobbery. Who was it that said:
You people need to start driving 4x4's less and reading more (news articles)
I explained where I got the Panzer/SUV comparison from
And I explained why it's ridiculous. Your "explanation" did nothing to rebut how silly a comparison it is.
I explained where I got the Panzer/SUV comparison from and you show your snobbery about "Oh the Dailymail" as if the level of discussion being displayed is any higher than Primary school kid level by the "Pro-SUV" cohort here..
Everyone seems selfish driving big fat mostly empty cars when they could use public transport or car share or use bikes or just walk ( I see people driving just 400 meter even though easily walkable distance, and they are very well able to, but won't cuz of their selfish behaviour).... So do you also walk when you can? Or are you selfish like everyone else seems to be?
'Panzer Tank' translates to 'Tank Tank'. So good, they named it twice.
That. Was. The Whole. Point. Of. That. Statement.
It's supposed to be a stupid statement. It's illustrative of just how fcuking stupid your argument about driving distances is.
But let's call a spade a spade here….that's not why you stopped reading. You stopped reading because you have no comeback to my post. We're back now to refusing to address points made to you because they're stupid and not, y'know, because you can't actually counter them, due to the fact that your entire argument is built on a hill of sand. You're making ridiculous logical leaps, accusing others of things that aren't true, making sh1t up in your own head to justify your contempt for your fellow countrymen and now you're calling for the thread to be locked.
That's because you're losing the argument, nothing more. You can pretend it's because the level of discourse has dropped, but we can all see through that charade. Check and mate.
The truth is you've no idea how large a car anyone needs and instead of admitting that, you're trying to dig your way out of a hole that you created for yourself. You're {this} close to claiming the entire thing is beneath you and running away from the thread because, again, you don't know WTF you're talking about and pretending that you do.
Desperate stuff altogether.
So we're using the sensationalism of the dailymail to justify your poor analogy….
You'll note that out of the three metrics used for comparison on the length is the only one where it is slightly bigger. Also you fail to realise that comparing two vehicles in a simplistic way doesn't demonstrate you point; the uses and consumers are completely different. You'll note the long bed in the longest 4x4's; it's there for carrying materials etc. and/or trailers. Also the rear seats for passengers.
Why doesn't the article, or you, quote the weight of the vehicles as a comparison…..is it because the weight is many tonnes more and would fit your faux outrage?
You'll also do well to note the models used aren't on Irish roads, safe for a few imports of the longest ones.
Just can't stick to discussion without jibes and insinuation can you?
As for "reading" more…I wouldn't count the Daily Mail as demonstrating someone as 'well read'.
Edit: Just FYI - you/The dailymail have only used one 'panzer' tank in your comparison. There were substantially bigger ones that could've been used in your/their comparison. I read about them somewhere.
You don't know what is going on in peoples lives. She might have a boyfriend in prison being raped and terrorised by his cellmates. She might need a big car to visit her boyfriend at the week ends.
I stopped reading after your argument winning statement that "people have approximately 0.9 testicles" is this the level this thread is at now…
Needs to be locked.
You people need to start driving 4x4's less and reading more (news articles).. what was the other phrase that caused you lot to get all giddy? Ah yes, SUV arms war.. Now have never heard of SUV's referred to as Panzers?
Here's a nice picture to illustrate where the idea came from:
They can't even get the terminology right. The correct term is "W@nkpanzer".
A couple of points………
Keep throwing your toys out of the pram though, it lets everyone else know that you're full of it.
So, Range Rover drivers can't spot approaching children now? Surely, that's not a subtle dig at them, right? Modern SUV's are fitted with safety cameras and automatic braking systems, making them technically safer on the road than a humble Dacia Sandero. Don't worry Aurora and her mum will be safe crossing the road from the organic shop. I haven't seen too many SUV's ramming into children around Ranelagh recently.
Sorry, not my fault boards dropped me into this thread 4 months back 😀
But in the summer months I regularly drive either in bare feet, or socks if it's a long trip and the feet will stink up 🙂
The only practical reason I've ever seen for driving in shoes was to be able to apply more force to the brake. But that reason doesn't apply to any car with servo-assisted brakes.
Much safer to drive bare/sock foot than in flip flops/sliders/sandals.
Panzer tank driving down Belmont Ave.
Now SUV's are "Panzer Tanks". If the menacing image of a military vehicle from nearly a century ago is the level of hyperbole required, you're argument isn't great.
Cars are cars, even when the cars are 500kg heavier than an average car, or when the front of the car stops you from seeing small children in front of you thus creating danger… I can assure you no one is jealous of a Panzer tank driving down Belmont Ave.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2022/08/17/restrictions-to-stop-suv-drivers-mounting-south-dublin-footpath-to-be-introduced/
The stats on the average length of a car journey, and the average occupancy is there in the CSO website, which I have already quoted in this thread and where I get my FACTS from, I don't see any stats coming from you just your own personal blather.. sorry opinion.
Most people who drive massive 4x4's have bought them on credit or finance not straight up cash.
As opposed to those who drive saloons/hatchbacks etc. have not bought on credit/finance?
It's a nonsensical point you've made.
The cars/SUV's/Vans/Trucks are all on the roads as they meet the legal requirements; The "excess" road space another ridiculous argument. Should we all drive the smallest car on the market and all others be removed?
It is other peoples business where pedestrian safety and use of excess road space is concerned.
It's nothing to do with "affording" anything. Most people who drive massive 4x4's have bought them on credit or finance not straight up cash. My wife drives a 2020 Hyundai i20 and i drive a 12 year old Focus. I'm retired at 55 and my wife will retire next year at 55 also and are very comfortable finance wise. One of the reasons we can do that is because we didn't spend silly money on silly cars we don't need and that serve no purpose besides being status symbols.
More of the same sh1te, would you give it a bleedin' rest.
that rarely leave the Dublin city area..
Are you camped outside these houses and tracking their whereabouts?………………or are you just embellishing your nonsense statements to make them sound better? Because if you have to keep lying to make your point, perhaps your point is a load of bollocks to begin with?
Neighbour bought his wife one of those Hyundai yokes 4x4 absolutely massive car only 3 weeks ago and she's already had two bumps with it one taking their driveway pillar out
If someone managed to 'take out a pillar' then it has little to do with the car they are driving; much more to do with their competence and ability. A soft SUV like a Hyundai would need a lot of impetus to take out a concrete block or brick pillar. Driving competence should be the bigger discussion but simple dislike for SUV's is being masqueraded as "safety concern" / "keeping up with the Jones" / "compensating for small dick".
When you see descriptions of SUV's being described as "tanks" is immediately clear they're completely disingenuous in their posts.
the point is you've no idea if it's necessary or not. None of us do. It's also none of our fcuking business.
This.
I work in Ranelagh, where many people are business owners or stay-at-home parents juggling the demands of family life—often both at the same time. It's hard not to notice how discussions around cars in this area often seem rooted in jealousy. The residents of Ranelagh frequently make headlines because, let’s face it, they can afford spacious and comfortable vehicles.
Personally, I can't afford a Range Rover, but owning a large car is essential for my needs. My business requires me to transport boxes, and I have two kids who are constantly being loaded in and out of the backseat. A big car is not a luxury for me—it’s a necessity.
One trend I’ve observed is how some older generations, particularly boomers, tend to look down on large cars. There seems to be an unspoken resentment towards younger generations owning bigger vehicles than they did at the same age. Then there are people in their 20s and 30s, often without kids, passionately commenting on environmental concerns. Ironically, I’ve seen these same individuals switch from compact cars like VW Polos to SUVs like Tiguans as soon as their second child is born.
At the end of the day, cars are just cars. Most larger ones are designed on the same platforms as smaller ones. People need different-sized vehicles to suit their circumstances, and that’s okay. Instead of fixating on the size of cars, the real issue we should focus on is how complex and expensive vehicles have become. We need to simplify car designs, lower their costs, and make them more practical to meet everyday needs. Let’s get back to basics!
Next time you're up in Dublin, have a walk around (or in your case 4x4 drive) the surrounding areas of Ranelagh, Donnybrook, Ballsbridge and count the numbers of large 4x4 SUV's pakred outside or in the drive that rarely leave the Dublin city area.. Oh and you can tell which are the residents cars, they're the spotlessly clean 251-D… (the dirty older SUV's belong to the contractors working on the residents houses.)
That "if" is carrying a lot of weight there. Fortunately we have the data:
Road fatalities in this country are objectively rare: Around 1 every 300,000,000 vehicle kilometres. Of those, about 3/4 roughly involved occupants of vehicles, roughly 1/4th being pedestrians when last I checked. Of those, a very large number are caused by the pedestrian themselves, not the driver. The number could be as high as 70%.
14-PIN-annual-report-FINAL.pdf
PowerPoint Presentation
Safe to say the average Irish driver does not pose a significant danger to the average Irish pedestrian.
The problem is that even if literally everyone was driving a reliant robin or a Nissan Micra, the constant drumbeat of demonisation of "drivers" or "motorists" from certain quarters would continue unabated. I've seen more than enough of it, both on boards here and in real life in terms of regulations on drivers constantly becoming more onerous.
So I say f* it. If you are going to be demonised out of all proportion to reality - and you will be whether you drive a Mini or a Toyota Aygo or something 3 times the size - then buy whatever you want and can afford, and tell the haters what to go do with themselves.
