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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Israel will never hand Netanyahu or Gallant over to the ICC.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    …. according to people in Gaza who are members of Hamas or supporters of Hamas or who have been too afraid of Hamas to tell the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    You seem to have an allergic reaction to facts.

    according to people in Gaza who are members of Hamas or supporters of Hamas or who have been too afraid of Hamas to tell the truth.

    Poisoning the well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hmmm - let's see…

    And it doesn't have to Israel handing them over. The travel footprint of both alleged war criminals is now very very small. But if they were to travel abroad and suffered an aircraft malfunction requiring an emergency landing in a signatory state that has confirmed they will, as required by law, hand them over to the ICC, then yep, they'll be off to The Hague.

    But, as you seem to believe they are entirely innocent, neither of them has anything to fear anyhow.

    But do recall, Gallant issued the order to implement the Hannibal Directive resulting in the slaughter of many Israelis. Israelis they may actually bear a grudge. Duterte, currently languishing in The Hague, will attest to how funny life can be when you murder your own…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Hypothetical situation but let's say they both landed in Dublin. Would you hand them over to the ICC?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Fatou Bensouda was getting threats to herself and her family on a regular basis. It was coming from Israel. Was that intimidation correct? Your username suggests you analyse stuff but I am not seeing it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,430 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Can you provide robust evidence which backs up that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It was discussed in detail here by quite a few posters - all corroborated. There was link to Time of Israel yesterday. Feel free to google also - plenty of reports out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems the murder of humanitarian workers is still fair game:


    The humanitarian aid group World Central Kitchen said one of its volunteers had been killed in an Israeli airstrike in Gaza. "Israeli strikes hit near one of our WCK-supported community kitchens just as meals were being distributed," the organization said.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Confirmation that alleged war criminal #1 not only wanted Hamas to continue to receive cash, he wanted them alive and well too.


    Netanyahu rejected proposals in 2023 from the IDF and Shin Bet to assassinate top Hamas leaders Yahya Sinwar and Mohammed Deif prior to the October 7 attack. Shin Bet director Ronen Bar, whom Netanyahu is attempting to fire, pushed to advance the plan. According to a security source, "The idea was there, the intelligence was there, but Netanyahu did not make the decision to go for it."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    In the West Bank -

    "Since Israel launched its military operation in the West Bank in January, the Jenin refugee camp has become deserted and lined with ruined buildings. 'They want to drive all Palestinians from their homes, demolish them, make the camp uninhabitable and make us give up'"

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2025-03-26/ty-article-magazine/.premium/slow-death-in-the-west-bank-israels-destruction-leaves-jenin-refugee-camp-a-ghost-town/00000195-d30e-d2e3-a1b7-d72e64fd0000



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Israel scraps the system designed to protect humanitarian assistance workers in Gaza.



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    I'm going to ignore your first line and stick to the facts. Also, don't feel the need to entertain me at all. You are the one who has chosen to make premature conclusions, not me. Hamas hasn't left Gaza yet, the hostages haven't been released, and discussions on the future of Gaza haven't even begun—yet you've already decided what Gaza will be like post-Hamas.

    Since you insist that Palestinians can only live as refugees or under Hamas, I’ll challenge that assumption. Many Palestinians live as full citizens in Jordan, and others have integrated into societies across the Gulf and beyond.

    If I'm honest, I'm struggling to understand your mindset. Given how fashionable Israelophobia has become in Ireland these days, I can only assume that perspective plays a role in how you're framing your posts.

    As for the settlements, many Israelis—including my friends—believe they are more trouble than they are worth and advocate for disengagement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    If israelis want to disengage with Palestinians they should stop building settlements on their land. They cant pretend to be the reasonable party and colonise their neighbours land at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    There's a genocide going on and we're now into the next stage of ethnic cleansing. how anyone can defend such actions is beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    It really makes no sense as it doesn't add to the long term security of israel. Even if they expanded into all Palestinian land they would be surrounded by enemies still. I think alot of supporters of the current actions of Israel have friends there or are friends with Jewish people and think any criticism, however legitimate, of israels current actions is damaging to both parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Come on BB, you're not even trying anymore. Remember when Israel were trying to justify their bombing of hospitals (trying to normalise war crimes for some folks) by showing videos of bunkers under the hospitals (e.g. al-Shifa). It later emerged that Israel had built those same bunkers. The former prime minister of Israel Ehud Barak acknowledged that in an interview. You live and learn eh.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Israel has a geopolitical situation that is beyond horrifying and its strategic defence planning is done accordingly. And it does not matter whether there is a Likud government in power or a moderate centrist as Israel was attacked repeatedly through the tenure of moderate PM Ehud Olmert. As for the relationship between Judaism and Israel, the fact is that almost half of the worlds Jews (there are less than 16 million of them in all) are Israeli, and that Israel is the world's only Jewish state.

    As to criticism, most of it comes from two sources:

    1. Islamists who want to drive the Jews into the sea,
    2. Leftists who seem to hate them because of lefty reasons, the best example being the EFF in South Africa.

    Youtube video: Why Israel has a terrible geography

    As for me, I don't know many Jews personally, but I greatly admire Jewish contributions to just about every field of human endeavour.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    In almost every other discussion about religious sectarianism, the fact that a certain state is sectarian is condemned but Israel gets a free pass…. go figure that one out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Most religious states are totally intolerant of other religions, even ways of life in general. Not necessarily the best way to describe your admiration of a state. If anyone is holding up Nethanyahu and his govt and it's policies re Gaza as good examples of jewishness and indeed humanity, I'd be having a good look at the values they look up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Well, there are dozens of states that have the crescent moon on their flag, or are otherwise specifically identified by one faith, and that's no big deal. But if one tiny, glorified micro-state puts the Star of David on their flag, everyone loses their s***. Why?

    Especially after the horrors of Nazi Germany, all the Jews seem to want is to live in their ancestral homeland about 0.3% of the MENA region, with the other 99.7% still being free for non-Jewish states. Frankly, I don't think that's wildly unreasonable.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Hamas need to end the war, they need to lay down their weapons and release the hostages. They should be doing everything they can to end the fighting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    As to this bizarre idea of Jews being "intolerant" that is crazy - Jews are among the most tolerant people in the world. Literally, as long as you leave them alone they don't give a flying sod what you do, how you live, what your faith is, what your culture is, what you identify as, or anything else.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    NNot what I meant, I meant that anyone who criticises their policies re palestine as anti semitic. They withdrew their ambassador from here over it for instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    I take it you aren't familiar with the far right members of the current Israeli government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Well, there are dozens of states that have the crescent moon on their flag, or are otherwise specifically identified by one faith, and that's no big deal. But if one tiny, glorified micro-state puts the Star of David on their flag, everyone loses their s***. Why?

    For the most part, because of their colonisation of areas outside their legally recognised borders. Nothing to do with Stars of David or anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Then explain the chant "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free"

    NYU students: "We don't want two states, we want all of Israel wiped out" (Manhattan, yesterday)

    But hey, driving the Jews back to the 1967 lines would make it easier to kill them. Perhaps some regard that as a plus?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Some silly chant is not something that I care to get caught up on. Israel is illegally expanding outside their internationally recognised borders, regardless of chants, students or anything else.

    Is it possible for you to go one post without making some reference to anti-semitism? Because to be blunt that excuse/accusation is pretty threadbare at this stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Indeed - the far right in Israel invited far right European politicians to an antisemitism event. The event was boycotted by prominent Jewish Figures, including the Israeli President.

    The UK government's antisemitism advisor Lord Mann turned down his invitation, saying: "There is nothing for the UK to learn about tackling antisemitism from some of these characters."

    Chief Rabbi Mirvis declined to participate "having been made aware of the attendance of a number of far-right populist politicians", his office said in a statement issued last week.

    Israel's President Isaac Herzog did not attend either. He hosted his own separate event with Jewish leaders instead in what was seen as a compromise.

    The conference was organised by Amichai Chikli, Israel's Diaspora Affairs Minister, and an outspoken member of Netanyahu's right-wing Likud party. Chikli has over the past several months courted ties with far-right parties across Europe.

    Among those at the conference whose presence had caused some consternation was National Rally President Jordan Bardella, whose party was originally founded by Jean-Marie Le Pen, a man accused of antisemitism and found guilty of Holocaust denial.



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