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Musk's move to give a Tesla’s patents to competitors in 2014 in hindsight was been viewed by many as being a very 'cunning' strategic move that benefited Tesla to become a global EV player.
https://medium.com/%40mk_26304/the-genius-behind-teslas-patent-giveaway-how-elon-musk-played-the-game-to-win-big-09f75a10c9bc
However, I wonder if it is now going to hurt Tesla with BYD powering ahead.
Perhaps the biggest threat BYD poses to Tesla: It’s managed to make a variety of sleek, tech-enabled cars — both EVs and plug-in hybrids — at a fraction of the cost. The entry-level BYD EV now starts at under $10,000 in China. Tesla’s Model 3, its cheapest model, costs three times more at $32,000.
Haha comparing a BYD Seagull to a Model 3- get real!
True, a Seagull shouldn't be compared in any way.
But you can buy a BYD EV that is similar in size to a Model 3 for close to half its price in China.
Half the price of the same BYD here too. That’s what happens when governments support/own the companies. They received billions in subsidies.
They can then sell for peanuts over there. Or maybe that’s a condition of the subsidy?
Prices there are irrelevant to us here in Europe though.
It's new so I assume only in the Chinese market currently.
It is relevant to Tesla though, as it is another competitor in one of their biggest markets.
No its comparing the entry level price for each manufacturer. BYD is killing it in China.
Already due to Ireland next year. Probably replace the dolphin or be called the dolphin mini. It’s a small small segment car. It’s the same size as a lupo so a bit silly to compare it to a 4 door saloon.
For example, it’s smaller than the smallest BYD sold in Ireland, the Dolphin.
Chinese brand outsells competitors in china. That’s not exactly breaking news.
Especially when they get billions of subsidies from the Chinese Government every year, it’s great that they are cheap as chips.
Proof is in the pudding with regards to Irish sales.
If we could get a BYD here for that price they wouldn’t be able to keep them in the showrooms!
We are talking about different cars then. The below is the Qin L EV, starts at 16.5k and is the same size as a Model 3.
The Model 3 starts at 32.5k in China.
Yes, totally different car then.
But same principles apply. The billions in state injections allow then to sell to the domestic market for buttons. If we had that here it would fly out. There is a shortage of affordable saloon EV's. Not everybody wants a cross over or SUV and not everybody has the funding to buy a BMW i5, VW ID7. We really only have the Model 3 at €37k and BYD Seal at €46k here, while the same car is $30,300 in China (to give an idea on price differences to be expected).
If you buy a BYD in China do you get Winnie the Pooh included in the back seat listening to you constantly?
Do you also get Pooh if you buy a Tesla in China ?
This is not in contention. I think the point of my original post is being missed.
I was wondering if Musk's decision to make all of Tesla's patents publicly available meant that it was inevitable that the Chinese EV industry, supported by long standing Chinese Govt policy of global domination of EV production, would destroy Tesla's first mover advantage.
Its also quite conceivable this would have happened eventually, but maybe on a longer time frame as the Chinese had to develop much of the technology.
Musk's political antics have also probably simply accelerated that decline outside of the US.
Very possible. But in fairness, Tesla could t stay at the top or close to the top forever. Rands have caught up. Other brands do some things better, some do things worse.
If it paved the way for mass EV development then it was a worthy thing to do but that will get lost because of his current antics unfortunately.
Go have a drive if the XPeng G6. It’s as close as a copy of the MY as you’ll find!
Have to laugh at people telling us how much a subsided BYD costs in China, the only issue with that is the fact that we're living in Ireland?
Yeah I must put that on the to do list. Theres a few chinese EVs Im keen to try out.
The whole Xpeng - Tesla copycat thing is bonkers.
after BYD and others added their level 2 driver assistant for free, Tesla decided to have a one month free trial of their FSD (which the article says is $8k USD in China, which seems like a hard sell?).
After a few weeks it’s being pulled again, as people are getting automatic tickets in the post for driving violations
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/03/tesla-forced-to-halt-fsd-in-china-over-new-regulations/
“the cars repeatedly confused bikes lanes as right-turning lanes. It also made illegal lane changes, crossing over solid lines.”
I thought they were gathering data in China specifically for FSD ‘learning’. Mistaking bike lanes seems like a day 1 thing to know?
Starship will likely be in service for starlink deployments this year. Fuel transfer trials also very likely to happen this year. Booster catching is complete and starship catching looks like it should be close to complete also. Heat tiles are working but require more refinement for Mars entry.
They are actually not that far from having a functioning vehicle. Resonance issues in engine plumbing could be solved by next flight in a few weeks time. They will test deployment of starlink next flight, if the ship doesn't blow up. The following flight if that is successful may deploy starlinks and returnd to launch site for catch attempt. Expect refueling tests to follow.
Spacex has a test by failure strategy that looks like it's going nowhere until suddenly it's doing everything. It will be interesting to see how they manage 5 or so tanker refueling flights for each MArs bound starship. Theres a bunch of stuff needed to get a Mars ready ship but spacex does things in a massively parallel fashion so things could come together fast. They are strongly focused on getting first ships heading to Mars in 2026.
This isn’t Tesla related - but it was discussed somewhere already a few days ago that the Musk dates are bizarrely optimistic and generally impossible (quelle surprise) - this was according to astronauts and NASA journo’s who were following the return of the 2 longterm ISS astronauts 2 weeks ago and the Musk Mars talk was discussed.
Their central point was that NASA hasn’t even approved a Mars mission yet, which usually happens years and years in advance, and that NASA would be acutely aware of all current and near term SpaceX, Boeing etc abilities, to then spend years tendering for the mission.
NASA themselves say this on their site: “NASA's Artemis program plans to return humans to the Moon this decade to practice and prepare for an initial unmanned Mars mission as early as the 2030s.” that could be 2039 as much as it might be 2031.
TLDR: Musk won’t be going to Mars next year. It’s actually preposterous when you think about how space mission timelines work.
None of these things are made by Tesla. 🙅♂️
Made in china. Very old Teslas were made in USA and shipped to Ireland. All.newer Irish Teslas are made in china and typically be better built than USA cars. The Chinese cars have two different battery chemistry types too. One does not mind being charged to 100% all the time, and is more likely to last a long time.
I was behind a facelift version of the Model Y (Juniper) earlier today in Sandyford, was coming back from the M50 towards the showroom so I guess it was out on a test drive. Although I won't be going with one I have to say it looks nice in the flesh, much more so than the older model IMHO.
There’s at least 2 out with the press. @MarkN has one and Derek Reilly has one too. I don’t think they are available for demo drives yet. But I could be wrong.
How the fook do you know that???🤔
They've posted either here or on Facebook that they have them.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/IEVOA/posts/3937442579830334/
Ahhh I see,the model y has gone from a bit of a frog(literally) to a bit of a prince in my humble opinion?
I was gona big up my spy credentials but @josip putbanstop to that!
Jeez I was getting worried that you're pals with Musk!😳
probably should’ve posted this here than in the other thread! Still firm but much more settled. Great on M50, good over speed ramps, a tad jittery on poor roads but a lot better.
What’s performance like to the older LR AWD?
