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"it’s not the smartest thing to use the players on the bench being kids as some way of overstating the job he’s doing, when you loaned four more experienced players out"
That's what I was trying to say. He's acknowledging loaning out well recognised players and then claiming that not recognising the remaining players on the bench proves how good the manager is.
I say it frequently, but I’ve never seen a team get on the good side of as many refereeing decisions as Newcastle
And repeat
Was having this conversation recently with the lads in work. It's the suble things they get away with. They seem to play on the physical edge the whole time, and get so few fouls and cards given against them.
It’s truly bizarre. Flinging lads over in both boxes and the ref just like nahhhh
Pope and Newcastle with the cynical time wasting is killing the game for me
It's everyone of them, any excuse they're on the floor. Schar takes more "blows" to the head than Katie Taylor.
I’d love to see Pep take a job like West Ham. Potter should have stayed away from there, and their supporters don’t deserve much anyway, stadium half empty at full time.
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So you think more people would recognise Lopes than Konate because caps?
Thats a bold strategy.
I'm saying that Rashford, Antony and Sancho are more recognisable than the players he was referring to on the bench, partly because they're capped, I mentioned the Nations they play for, England and Brazil, which obviously also comes into it also
I feel you're trying to deliberately misunderstand the point. I'm trying to highlight what differs those Man United players from the other Man United players on the bench the other day. Because that was big Jim's point
Of course there's an interview with Amorim every week he's a PL manager. He does anywhere between 4-6 press conferences every week, do you expect people to not report on these events? This is Jim Radcliffes second round of interviews in a year of part ownership, now maths wouldn't be my strongest point but I don't think that works out to an interview every second week. It's fascinating to see opposition fans having such a problem with SJR and his actions and yet for the most part this interview has been well received in the Utd thread mostly because after 20 years of bleeding the club dry we are yet to hear from the Glazers.
You are right that the canteen lady isn't responsible for the wages Casemiro, Anthony, Mount etc are on. Neither is SJR. The club was overstaffed and losing hundreds of millions every year. I'm working in a massive pharma company that is making billions every year and yet there's been 2 rounds of redundancies in the past 8 months, that's just the reality of the world. No job is guaranteed. I genuinely don't think you understand the topic you are weighing in on and are just looking to take shots at the club & owners. But carry on, Utd are fair game on here these days and I'm sure you'll get all the backpats you crave for hating on Utd and SJR
Yeah, I think it is fair that Utd had to eliminate costs as a massive imperative. Based on the reporting around Utd's headcount, the Glazers ran the business with vast malaise and inertia. While it is right to say the most significant contributor to unprofitability is the cost of the first-team squad and their failures on the pitch, a lean back office and club culture are more likely to foster better player-related decisions.
Utd needs to let bad contracts run down, try to move nonperforming assets away on cut-price deals, loans, etc., and strictly focus on younger players with upside mixed in with short-term veterans to solve specific needs. In the short term, this will not align with better success on the pitch. Much as laying off working-class admin staff at a football club, overpaying chancers will lead to bad press.
Directionally, it all makes sense. In 2 - 3 years, the club could have significant chunks of debt cleared, with a streamlined back office operation allied to a more valuable squad with 90%+ good value contracts. Amorim may not survive that, but it doesn't matter. The club's foundations will be rebuilt, and a platform for success will again exist for one of the biggest clubs in the world.
However, the decisions made around Ashworth and Ten Haag, allied to the missteps in Radcliffe's personal utterances, may be causes for concern. I don't find him very impressive (YMMV), and the fundamental arrangement with the Glazers creates limitations that are hard to work around. The essential question is whether INEOS has a framework for attracting staff and players to beat the competition over time. The jury is out on that so far.
There has been at least 3 non match interviews with AmorinI i can remember. Sky Sports wheel him out every month. Maybe he's just repeating the same stuff on each of them, about the players being crap or whatever blame he is placing on them, so they seem like match interviews.
Jim has had a few too, or at least is giving off the cuff soundbites at the least. There's been plenty opportunities from him too, he loves the camera. I'm sure he thoroughly enjoyed giving this latest interview to every other person too. Print wasn't enough, the Gary Neville one was needed also, in conjunction with the big reveal today.
Both love the PR stunts and big talk. Both are yet to back it up with actions yet though. Jim sacking people all round for the last few months and justifying it by saying the club is about to run out of cash while at the same time announcing plans to build a new stadium. How is that possible?
Monday : “We haven’t a pot to piss in and all the cuts we’re making to non playing staff were necessary for the club’s very survival “
Tuesday: “Here’s our plans for a brand new €2bn stadium “
Where’s the sense in that?
I expect every City Council and football club in Britain will be watching this very closely as to where the funding is going to come from.
They have repeatedly said outside funding will be used on the stadium. SJR said in the interview the club can build the stadium but not the area restoration and thats what they want the government to pay for not the stadium.
That’s exactly why I said other City Councils and Football Clubs will be watching it very closely - to make sure it stays that way. It’s no secret they flew some kites for public monies in the early planning stages.
Not gonna lie, that's hugely ambitious from United and their match day revenue will be insane when it's finished. And I don't hate the design either. This could set them up for decades
Summer 2022 - here are massive financial losses for the Club Summer 2023 - here are massive financial losses for the Club Summer 2024 - here are massive financial losses for the Club Monday - the club has been spending more than it has earned for 7 years. We have to cut costs. Monday - I have had to invest 300m and we have been taking on debt every year to cover the losses. Monday - we expect to return to massive profitability in 3 years. Monday - The stadium project is financeable and we will look for no government funding. Tuesday - here is the stadium we want to build and complete within 5 to 7 years.
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That new stadium is a microcosm of the world now….billionaires who have sucked the life out the clubs now turning to The State looking for a handout to build it. It should make any right thinking person sick.
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You really think this is the smoking gun?? Really?
I will humour you though…firstly its not as if Madrid suffered in this time and needed those players so I would say thats a huge part. Who is Aguero getting in ahead of with Ronaldo and Benzema there? Aguero ex Atletico Madrid on a long contract doesnt strike me as the sort of player they needed or wanted so its hardly the shock you are making it out to be. Why would they spend 100m or so on a second choice striker? And for the record there were loads of links plenty of times throughout his career in the tabloids. Google is your friend here.
Same logic applies to KDB, Madrid had an abundance of players that KDB wasnt essential kroos modric bale hazard etc etc. Again there were tabloid links of KDB to Madrid albeit much less than Aguero but they existed.
David Silva was linked every year with a move back to Spain but again would he have got into the Barca team? Would they have spent all the required money(as city would have wanted, rightly, a huge transfer fee)on a squad player. Spain struggled enough accommodating Silva with most the Barcelona team so adding in Messi it wouldn’t have worked, in reality they didnt need him and neither did Real.
If a big club wanted a city player they could have got them if they paid the fee, Sane to Bayern a great example of that. It wasnt impossible like you suggest(multiple times over the years in fact you have suggested this). Outside of Barca/Real/Bayern who else could attract and afford a city player? And as a player you get the chance to challenge(and likely win) lots of silverware, you get to train at some of best facilities in the world, you get coached by one of the greatest coaches of all time, you get to play with a squad of world class players and you get a top salary. Maybe that was enough for players? Is that too hard to grasp or are you insisting that they want all that and then a shitload of cash on the side via unofficial routes?
That's not what's happening though, is it? Utd will build the stadium The UK government will take care of THEIR regeneration programme Like they do everywhere else in the country. Or would you expect Manchester United football Club to also regenerate public amenities in the area as well?
Can't let facts get in the way of taking pot shots
Your position, therefore, appears to be that City found a perfect zone of the best players in the world that Madrid / Barca would not want. Quite an incredible amount of foresight. Rodri was CL player of the season at 26 and European Championship player of the tournament a year later, ahead of his Ballon d'Or. Rodri even had to quash speculation about Real's interest. Of course, City held him; there was no hassle.
The idea that it's just because clubs wouldn't pay the fees involved isn't how this stuff works, either. If the club wants a player and wants to leave, then the fee gets sorted.
Years and years of a club in Manchester managing never to suffer a transfer saga. It's all normal; there's nothing to see here.
Not a Utd fan so no clue on how hard it is to get tickets for their matches; would they be able to fill an extra 26,000 seats each week?
They are limited on how they can spend for the next while so it is hard to see them finishing in the top 8 next season, with 5 places in the CL this year there will be another team with the chance to get a deeper squad. There could be 2 or 3 teams getting an unexpected CL place; Forest & Newcastle, etc.
Obviously Utd or Spurs could get a CL place via the Europa League as I don't think there is much quality in it with the new format, i.e. 3rd place from the group stages of the CL moving into that competition.
I'd imagine they'll have no issue filling extra seats for league games. It's not like City, they have a MASSIVE fanbase, biggest in the country.
Be great to see some downward pressure on ticket prices too
I don't think UTD, of all teams will have any issues selling out the new stadium week in week out TBH.
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