Unmodified Jimny has ground clearance of 210mm. That should be good enough for a lot of mountain trails surely?
Subsequent battery replacement costs
Definitely ignorance
Somewhere a monkey's paw has curled.
Out of this list the only genuine items are potentially #6 and 7 (the same thing really).
The rest are mostly used as excuses, especially #2 and ##8.
I see EU relaxation of emissions rules so now car manufacturers have 3 years 2025 to 2027 to get into better shape for EV transition. I think the biggest incentive for would- be EV car buyers is ramping up the pace and extent of Charging infrastructure across the EU. Range I think is the biggest question/concern remaining for people considering EV purchase for their next car.
This thread has gone well past the 10k post limit and is almost completely borked.
I do think that a lot of people are very worried about potential battery replacement costs. I know that many trade their car well before 150k km but it impacts the second hand car market. If I’m paying north of 20k for a used car with less than 50k warranty on a battery, that’s a killer, and it directly affects new buyers who have to worry what their car is going to be worth after 100k km.
We need to see enough electric cars out there with 300k on the battery before fears start to dissipate.
Is this thread totally corrupted now? Hallelujah the new boards. Working great since 2021 🙄
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That was me. Post Covid there were some people mad to buy a new EV but there was a supply issue in 2022 so they had to wait until 2023 which inflated the normal yearly EV sales. In 2024 it went back to normal but looked like a massive drop on 2023 which was an abnormally high year. This year is a steady growth as per normal adoption rates seen in other markets
I guess we'll have another thread for all things random EV (and Jimny ground clearances)
anyone know anything about this lad - Tommy Macken
https://www.teemcars.com/car-listing.php
More and more EVs that really break through the range anxiety tipping point:
https://www.theverge.com/news/623945/volvo-es90-ev-sedan-range-battery-power-specs-photos
In addition, the ES90 will showcase new battery management software, allowing it to gain 300km (186 miles) of range in just 10 minutes of charging, while a 10–80 percent charge will be completed in 20 minutes. The 800-volt system is unique in Volvo’s lineup, but it’s comparable to other fast-charging EVs, like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6.
400 miles or 700km from 100kwh requires 7km per kwh or 142wh/km. Ioniq28 levels of efficiency. Not likely possible in the real world from a heavy saloon.
Putting these unachievable ranges and then not getting near them in the real world does nothing for EVs. I think it instills range anxiety.
A deep read on BMW's new battery stuff too
https://www.theverge.com/bmw/623312/bmw-ev-battery-neue-klasse
I think it's less the actual range that's important there, more the speed of the charging.
I feel personally like my EV (2024 Mini Countryman SE) has already surpassed that point of charging quickly enough where I never have to worry about stopping somewhere for ages — and the improvements in the charging network have helped that a lot too.
But for a lot of people they still haven't reached that point, so the more improvements there, rather than raw range, could be the real gamechanger
Just to get back on topic (Jimny 😂), as more and more niches are filled by new EVs, the off road niche will start to get looked at. At the moment, AWD seems to be restricted to high end cars, but since it's a relatively easy implementation in EVs - just add another motor (I know there's more to it than that) - and you have off road capability.
Cars like the Inster and Grande Panda could be the Jimnys of the EV world in a very short space of time.
For proper off roading they will need a way to simulate or include diff lock and low range.
Possibly with separate motors on each wheel? Single motors do have diffs, some built into the motor itself I think. Low range should be easily achieved through software I'd imagine.
But it's a Jimny. Jimnys don't have diff locks. 😂
I have a very good friend drives a RAV4. Thinking of changing next year to a RAV4 phev as apparently EV range is good up to 100km or more as he does most of his driving around Dublin. Then he says to me for the occasional trip down the country he has the petrol. What's wrong here! - he is making the assumption that he can't charge en route or it is too difficult/troublesome/risky- take your pick. We need to see I think more charging plazas/multi unit chargers so that if you do go full EV you can be CONFIDENT that you will be able to stop for a charge en route and get charged up relatively quickly (say 20 mins) with no hassle and no queueing needed.
Those charging hubs do exist, and on most spine routes around the country too. Maybe they just need to look more like the Fastned ones so that confused ICE drivers go into them thinking they're petrol stations
Nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned, if he does 98% of his driving on electric then he'll probably just go full EV for his next car
Does the new RAV4 have DC charging? It's a way to try out the fast chargers and route so he'll be used to that as well
Yes I think separate motors on each wheel would be good for a simulated diff lock. The low range will really be needed though, my (thankfully limited) soft roading experience in my old model X showed me that. The motors are too powerful and because they are electric there isnt even a feeding in of power, it's all there at ~zero rpm. (as an aside, this is why big lazy v8s are the best for serious offroaders, lots of potential torque but easily modulated with low range ratios and a lazy throttle pedal response). Even the RR classic and the original land cruiser amazon had v8s 40-50 years ago.
I'm intrigued by the electric G class as a serious off road prospect. But I'd love something like a Panda 4*4 EV, as it's not too expensive that you can't throw it around.
Yes they do but not enough of them yet IMO- for example on a regular run I do Sligo- Dublin- I stop in Kinnegad on my way up as my charge will be down in the 50 % range and hence it's a good place to stop (rest and toilet break as well) I have found Kinnegad getting busier and with 4 cars using chargers on the RHS then it can get tricky waiting etc - where do you queue? Driving back from Dublin (at 100%) ideally would want to be charging around somewhere like Carrick on Shannon but that has just 2 chargers that seem to be busy a lot of the time. It's great to see so many lower cost EVs coming on to market leading to higher sales and removing cost as a significant obstacle. However I think we would benefit a lot if somehow more and larger charging hubs could be brought on stream more quickly.
Nothing wrong at all with that. A perfect use case for a phev. The battery covers normal driving and the long drives are on petrol.
Likely the EV that would be needed to cover his range comfortably would be considerably more expensive than the toyota.
Well Sligo is one of those unfortunately neglected spine routes — both in terms of charging infrastructure, but also just the quality of the roads there too.
Same with Dublin to Donegal, although if you route via Belfast that one isn't too bad.
The charging coverage on most of the motorway routes is pretty great at the moment though (although you can really feel usage and EV ownership hitting another level too)
Just out of curiosity, here's the current network of charging hubs with 4 or more stations providing over 120kW:
And heres the hubs providing 6 or more stations over 120kW:
In fact the real situation is a bit better than this, because I know that at a minimum the Fastned Banbridge, Applegreen Ballymount, Ionity Charlestown hubs aren't showing up (they don't have kW ratings properly input on Plugshare yet)
Oh and here are the 4+ CSS2 stations that are marked as coming soon:
Would the Tesla site at Enfield not be better than Kinnegad? The last time I went to charge at Kinnegad it was full, getting much busier.
