The Hyundai INSTER sub-compact EV with 355km range will be officially released later this month. It was teased today and based on the CASPER ICE model available in some markets. Thoughts?
I think the point you've missed is that they could imagine being popular with older people. I know a few who have old micra's that they'd love to upgrade but as it's discontinued there's not much out that would be a good swap. This is where I think the inster will be popular, older drivers who might only zip to church, or the shop a couple of times a week for bread, milk and ham.
Do they have any of these in Mooneys on long mile road to view? I work closeby and am interested to have a look for my mother, she was looking atnew cars last year and would have went for one but thought the 30k Yaris and Polo etc were not worth the money to upgrade over her 2019 Corsa, but maybe for this she might as its cheaper and by the sounds of it, better.
I got an error this morning related to the front camera - it disappeared pretty quickly. When I checked there was a small amount of condensation on on the inside of the windscreen just in front of the camera. Apparently it's a known Hyundai "feature" https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/fwd-camera-on-windshield-condensation.48832/
my insurance was with aviva on my old card. I tried to get a second insurance, and they said I need at least one NCB to take a new insurance, although I have 4 on my other Aviva insurance.
anyone installed mudflaps? any recommendations on which one to install? thank you
530E still sounds a lot more expensive than the ones we can get in amazon. any reason why I shouldnt get the 50-100E amazon ones and install it myself? thank you
I'm no expert but I've seen some reports of warranty issues arising with home installation or Halfords installation.
Reflecting on the test drive I had this morning.
I think with the Irish pricing - this is arguably an Ioniq 28 kwh 2.0 moment in terms of achievement.
But the achievement is delivered differently.
You get a car that does pretty much everything as good and in someways better then an Ioniq 28 kwh.....
But instead of paying 31 k in 2019 - it's 19 grand - SIX years later.
You pay 19 grand for a 42 kwh car with the grant cut by 1500 euro vs 2019.
The main demerit one can objectively find vs the 28 kwh Ioniq is that you can only carry 4 people and not 5 like the Ioniq.
Hard core Ioniq 28 fans could possibly sulk in a corner and moan that efficiency could be a tad better..…
And sulk that maybe with expected progress since 2016 - perhaps the charging might be 150 kw...…
But when they stopped sulking - the reality is that there's two options for recreating that 2016 moment.
Option A is delivering 90 percent of the 2016 capability in a car that's much cheaper.
Option B is doing a variation on the Model 3 theme - but with a hatchback - using a 60 kwh battery.
Option B is 40,000 euro please sir and Hyundai don't want to do it.
So Option A it is and it's an achievement to enjoy.
Considering 99% of dashcan installs are not done by dealers I'd love to see some of these reports. I haven't been able to find and reliable links.
Edit: Just to say, I had a hyundai ioniq phev with a nextbase front/rear dashcam I got from amazon and installed myself and mooney's never had an issue doing warranty work on the car.
Funnily enough I got this error this morning too! Although I don’t know how it didn’t appear for me before when driving on the cold mornings last week
EDIT: when I returned to my car this evening the condensation had cleared. However, after starting the car the error messages are still displaying. Not sure where to go from here
EDIT 2.0: after driving for a while the error messages disappeared and everything back working as normal!! :D
Just did a run in my Inster Kerry-Dublin 107.62 Kwh consumption 681km Average 16.94Kwh/100km in the rain and temp. 5C 4 fully grown passengers seems very decent. And Im a big guy and this car was extremely comfortable the entire trip besides the fact that the heating stopped working at the start of the journey and suddenly started at the very end (reported it to the dealer). It handled as good or better than many full sized cars on the motorway. The self driving features are a lifesaver for driver fatigue. The only thing I would complain about is not with the car but with the charging infrastructure. It added about three hours to the trip. The first charger we hit was a 200KWH at the Barrack Obama Plaza on the M7 and for some reason it was only charging at 37KWH didn't have time to wait so left with smaller charge than planned. Next was trying to find a charger in Dublin City, Almost impossible to find a charger with over 22Kwh charge so we had to settle for the slower charger showing on maps at the Dundrum shopping center. After driving into the parking of the shopping center there were absolutely no signs or directions were these chargers were eventually after asking many people we found them on the 2nd floor hidden away in a corner. And as stated the speed was 22.Kwh. 2.5 hours later the charge was up to 200km range just enough to make it back to the Obama Plaza on the way back to Kerry. This time the charger at Obama Plaza was charging at 85Kwh and it was fast we went from 8% to 90% in about 30 minutes. After this trip I really don't see the point of installing slow charging stations around the country. No one wants to or has the time to sit around for hours to charge a car. There should be way more investment in fast chargers everywhere and forget about the slow chargers. The other complaint would be the cost. Using the ESB charging infrastructure I paid about the same in charging costs then I would driving my 1.6 Kia ceed diesel the same route but I would be home over three hours earlier. So thats something to think about. In the end this car was purchased as a local runaround and that what it will be used for but this journey has showed me it is much for versatile than it looks fit a brilliantly engineered EW. I got my moneys worth and am extremely happy with my purchase.
Where are you getting 3 hours delay out of? Were you not shopping during the charging at Dundrum?
Re the heater, I've had issues with mine as well. I initially had it set to 22 and it had the AC turned on and was blowing hot (edit - cold!) air at me! It seems to be significantly out of whack in terms of what it thinks the current temp is. I miss the "heating" button on the Kia whereby you could set when the heating element was actually on. Anyone else noticed anything strange with their heating?
The issue I suspect is that these Dundrum chargers were the only ones he could find at the time.
So it sounds like he was waiting all that time.
The other issue here is that the Inster probably only pulls 11 kw on a 22 kw AC charger.
Edit
That's becauset with AC charging (which also is how you home charger at 7 kw) the cars on board charger dictates the peak output on a 22 kw.
Its a fairly common issue for people to wonder why their 100 kw charging car will only pull 11 kw on a 22 kw.
That's because the process of DC charging is different - the rapid charger handles the AC to DC conversion.
Pretty much EVERY EV with DC charging will charge faster at a DC rapid then their peak speed on an AC charger.
Personally, i would rather watch the charging than go into a shopping centre, especially Dundrum. No point in having a cheap car thats cheap to run, if you have to spend money whilst it charges!
Just on not being able to find a charger in Dublin. Just a short distance down the M50 from Dundrum is Carrickmines which has eight 200kW chargers. Almost always half of them available.
Some wider thoughts on using infrastructure.
Coming into Dublin a partial workaround is to use a rapid charger on the way into Dublin.
For example the Ionity chargers at Kill.
Or Junction 14.
The thing about slow chargers in somewhere like Dundrum Shopping is that they are intended for use when you are visiting Dundrum.
In the EV world we would typically call them a destination charger - ie you decide you want to go to Dundrum to go shopping.
You plug the car in while shopping at Dundrum.
I would recommend downloading an app like plugshare to get an idea of potential charging options on the general route.
Also I don't know if the Inster is on A better Route planner.
But a better Route planner can be helpful - if the Inster isn't on it yet - might take a while.
You can put in something like a 28 kwh Hyundai Ioniq or Nissan Leaf 40 kwh as your car just to get an idea of what charging stops a Better Route planner recommends.
@tomek7, download Plugshare and sign up to the ESB & Ionity.
Also, can you pre-condition the battery by entering the charger as a destination? You'll get optimum charging then but, as stated above, the rate of charging is affected by both the charger capacity, the amount of people charging at it and the charging capacity of the car itself.
I know all that.
Sounds like a learning curve issue, a bit of planning is required for a long journey with a smaller battery car.
I didn't know all that, as someone thinking of switching to ev, it's useful. (Except for your answer to the question as to how 2.5+.5 hours adds up to 3 hrs. I did know that!)
I just put in a Valentia Island to Dundrum Shopping Centre and back trip in a Hyundai Ioniq 28 kwh into a Better Route planner.
Starting at 100 percent it proposes stopping at ESB chargers in Limerick and Applegreen chargers in Portlaoise (Midway) on the journey up.
And on the return - to use the Ionity chargers at Kill (M7) after leaving Dundrum.
Plus further stops at Obama Plaza and another ESB chargers
No charging suggested at Dundrum - because I put the journey into ABRP as a round trip.
That's important - put the journey into ABRP as just Kerry to Dundrum and it will assume you are alright with arriving to Dundrum on say 10 percent.
Projected charging time is 1 hr 40 mins - on a car with less range then an Inster.
The Inster is too new to be on a Better route planner unfortunately.
The workaround for that is using a car with smaller range then an Inster like the Ioniq 28 kwh or a 40 kwh Nissan Leaf.
I also recommend using plugshare to show different chargers that are available
One final point......
If in an emergency you did need to use a slow charger at Dundrum.
You would only need to charge enough to get to the nearest rapid charger - ie Ionity in Kill for example - comfortably
The Tesla SUC at Sandyford is also open to non-Teslas now for anyone in the area.
Thanks for all the feedback! This was my first time driving an EV and everything was new so mistakes were definitely made. I didn't mention that I was stuck at one charger for 20 minutes because the plug would not unlock from the car!LOL After calling the ESB charger phone number the kind man told me to press the unlock button twice on my key fob and like magic it let go. I felt a little foolish.
Was about to post that and the App will also tell you availability and if fully occupied a (accurate) wait time
It's a learning process - I was very nervous the first time that I used public charging but you'll get the hang of it.
People here are great to help if you get stuck!
I drove 80k+ kms in our BEVs and never once used a slow charger. Our charging cables were left untouched in the boot in both cars ever since we bought them.
Like others said, just charge at the last rapid charger hub on your route and on the way back charge there again. In between the two charges the car's battery should be enough (200kms approx with the Inster - should be enough).
For everyone who was wondering... The longest length of timber you can get into the Inster is about 240cm if you poke it into the passenger's shelf. A little more if you put it up on top of the dash.
Hi, yes I had the heating issue as well. Nothing I tried would get it to heat up from a cold start. Eventually found out that if you use the Heat Windscreen (FRONT) button (second from left), after 1 min it will heat up, leave it running and then kick in the climate control triple light (AUTO) button it continues to keep it at a nice heat. 22 is what the manual recommends and if you drop or raise that while travelling the Auto adjusts. Manual setting recommends the air to feet for heating and air to face for cooling.
Hope that helps.
Black, Elegance version.
For all the charger chat people, how are you finding the built in Nav app? Just looking through it in my driveway and I get the full list of all those available within range, charge kW, number in use and total etc. Is this reliable and generally correct? I have only changed at home till now.
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