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A big week coming up for Villa, they have a perceived “soft” draw in the Champions League, but Brugge can’t be underestimated. I’ve been impressed from what I saw of them in the CL so far.
If Villa don’t get past them, it could have a massive know on effect on the remainder of their year.
Seeing the Caicedo Liverpool-Chelsea stuff reminded me of this "joke", made at the time, that really hasn't aged well!
"In some ways, Liverpool might have needed fresh energy from a new manager. United under Ferguson, however, had absolutely no such need."
Didn't exactly turn out spectacularly well for United, mind.
Very impressed by Palace lately, Glassner doing a great job, has a good core of players like Henderson, Guehi, Wharton, Mitchell, Eze and Mateta.
Big worry for them will be bigger clubs coming for those players in the summer, I'm a huge fan of Eze, always thought Henderson should never have been sold by United and Mateta is that proper old school forward the likes of Arsenal could use.
They need 14 points from the last 11 games to hit 50pts
Amazingly, since promotion they have finished every single season with a points total in the 40's: 13/14 - 45pts
14/15 - 48pts
15/16 - 42pts
16/17 - 41pts
17/18 - 44pts
18/19 - 49pts
19/20 - 43pts
20/21 - 44pts
21/22 - 48pts
22/23 - 45pts
23/24 - 49pts
24/25……36pts with 11 to play…. Incredible consistency considering their manager list during this time was: Ian Holloway, Keith Millen, Tony Pulis, Keith Millen, Neil Warnock, Keith Millen, Alan Pardew, Sam Allardyce, Frank de Boer, Roy Hodgson, Patrick Vieira, Paddy McCarthy, Roy Hodgson, Paddy McCarthy… Can Oliver Glasner get to 50pts? It's all to play for, who said the league is over already??
Wharton is a class player and just back from a serious injury. They had a lot of injuries in the first half of the season,they didn't panic and now with players back,their results are improving
That youngest son has brought a great shame to your family 🤣
I think that was his point…
No the shame of the family was that the other son and his family are all Man City supporters. 😂
He must have a small family 😂
But at the same time saying this team got 90 points so would beat this team who got 85 points 20 years ago doesn't make sense. Saying Liverpool would have won titles in the 90s/00s isn't comparing like for like. Point totals work because they are measured against the same opposition. Everyone plays everyone home and away, at the end you tally up the points and the club with the most wins. You wouldn't look at Seria A and see Inter or Juve on 95 points and say "oh they are a better team than the PL winner because they got more points". It doesn't work because they did not beat the same opponents to win those points, they did not compete in the same competition. It can work as a measure of improvement year on year but it is far less reliable as a measure of improvement if you compare a tally to 10/20 years ago. The game has changed (for the better) and attacking players are far better protected now than they were 20 years ago. This leads to the better players being far more effective in games. There's no real team in the PL who look to turn games into dog fights anymore - which is a positive and also helps better teams to win more games. Every team now wants to be seen to be playing football. It's part of the reason why I think promoted clubs are finding it much tougher now to stay up. If you go toe to toe and try to play a better team on their terms you will lose more often than not.
Don't think anyone was making those comparisons.
I'm simply saying that things like getting 97 points in any context is remarkable given just how few slip ups that means over a season, and to demean it as irrelevant is dumb.
Horrendous domestically for most of the season. Been sh*te since around January 2024. Managed to crawl over the line last season because Spurs collapsed also and nobody else found any consistency.
Unfortunately recruitment has been horrible and things haven’t improved much since.
Oh? Kinda seems like it here.
Not sure what other point would the poster be trying to make here.. No team had ever got to or cleared 100 points until 2012. Then Real did it in 2012, Barca in 2013, Juve in 2014 and Man City in 2018. Funny enough none of those sides would be considered their club's "best ever" sides. 90+ points is a great achievement in any era, I'm just pointing out that the collection of points when comparing eras is not a good measuring tool. Man Utd 2013 got 89 points in the league Man Utd 1999 got 78 points in the league Nobody really thinks Man Utd were better in 2013 than they were in 99 for example.
Ok, let me rephrase — that was not the point I was making in the post you quoted, which was all in response to the fella saying second, even with a near perfect 97 points, is irrelevant as a managerial achievement.
As for the interpretation of someone else's post you screen-shotted, that's up to them to clarify i guess.
This Chelsea fans sums it up very well
I think the original point is that there is a constant theme from some posters to devalue Klopp's achievements, yes, he "only" won 1 league title, but, he was up against a financially doped opponent, something unseen in English football, who also happened to have one of the best mangers of all time in Pep. Klopp brought Liverpool from a top 6 side to a side consistently challenging for the major honours, on a small budget when compared to other top sides in the league, City, United, Chelsea and even outspent by smaller sides. He also left Liverpool with a very strong squad which is now in a strong position to win the league.
Ferguson's achievements in the English game are unrivalled and very unlikely to be surpassed especially with the way the modern game is gone. No need to devalve Klopp's achievements when defending Fergerson!
No Isak tonight, a big plus for Liverpool.
Forest fans chanting "Mikel Arteta, it's happened again". When are Arsenal fans going to wake up and turn on Arteta?
probably next season if they don’t win anything or challenge for the league
VAR sending Dorgu off. Poor tackle.
United match looks a bit crazy.
That’s a bizarre decision to deny Salah a penalty. The referee didn’t blow for the free out until after Hall pulled Salah down.
You do it. He's living in your head for ages.
Liverpool lead through Szoboszlai. Not the greatest of finishes, went through Burns' legs and Pope couldn't react in time to an effort that was fairly central.
Yet another example of Amorin proving that he is so out of his depth. Red card for his LWB. OK so he has to adapt fair enough.
Instead of just playing Garnacho at RWB and switching Dalot over to LWB, which would leave an attacker on the pitch, he instead takes Garnacho off instead and brings on the full back Mazraoui.
The worst thing is he did the sub on 45 mins, in doing so he wasting a sub slot instead of just waiting for HT a minute later which doesn't use up the sub slot. All so that he could play his precious 5 defender formation for that extra minutes or two of injury time, at home to an Ipswich team almost certain to get relegated.
I can’t believe you missed the part that they conceded a goal anyway before half time
Newcastle very lucky the referee blew the whistle when he did. He tried to give Jota the advantage, but blew just as Jota finally did get the advantage and would have been clean through on goal.
In before the hindsight merchants say that it was justified because Harry Maguire scored from a corner.
Not a lot of goals in the matches tonight. There's more goals(5) in the Man United v Ipswich game, than the other 4 games combined.
