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Tenant left a mess

iwilldare

Hi Guys,

Just wondering if anyone would have some advise on the following

I have a tenant renting a property for the last 6 years. They told me last August that they were moving out but were not sure when. I had asked to do an inspection a couple of time but they always fobbed or ignored me off and I never forced the issue. Fast forward to last month and tenant texts me to day that I can have the keys back as they are moved out, didnt give a forwarding address (I have texted a couple of times advising of post - they refused to engage). There is about 3 grands worth of damage to the house, also some unpaid rent - furniture broken, hob smashed, doors, place was filthy. Security deposit(Paid by a homeless charity) will cover about 2/3s of the damage. I have text and emailed a breakdown of the damage to the tenant but as usual, radio silence. Seeing as I dont have their address is the any other avenue that I could persue?

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Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123339076#Comment_123339076

If the landlord didn't make sure the information is destroyed somebody could find it in their green bin. The scammers motive is greed, why would this have anything to do with the landlord? How could you say the landlord intentionally gave this information to anybody.

People get their information stolen all the time and nobody can say how they got it. I have no idea why you think the landlord is trying to do anything bad. It was a warning

Tom Sanders

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123338017#Comment_123338017

I'm not sure if it's me or you, but who could get hold of information about the ex-tenant that would have motive to hurt them?

or is it that the tenant has the PPS number of the landlord?

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123330646#Comment_123330646

I am saying make sure that nobody gets that information as they may do something bad with it. Those people are motivated by greed and manage to get such information in so many ways. I would never suggest hiring anybody to do do something they will do for free. I do know people tend to build up enemies if they are in the habit of being bad to others.

Tom Sanders

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123192217#Comment_123192217

Not sure I follow, are you saying that the OP might hire someone bad to get revenge on the tenant? The only one who might have the motive to do terrible things would be the OP.

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123261171#Comment_123261171

The unfortunate truth is that stereotypes do come from somewhere. I have always worked with hard working, law abiding and religiously observant Polish and other Baltic Europeans. I have a very positive disposition towards them.

[Deleted User]

Oh ffs - unreal. Just because you WANT it to be xenophobic doesn't mean that was intended whatsoever.

And that's what you pick up rather than the condition of the place. Others were saying only let to Eastern Europeans and my point was: don't think someone's nationality (or the general area they're from) always guarantees they won't be an arsehole. Anyone of any nationality can be arseholes - including Irish people in a big way. Focus on references, history, how stable their income is etc, not nationality. How come the person who said they only let to Eastern Europeans didn't get it in the neck for discriminating against other nationalities?

artanevilla

No tinge about it. Outright.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123261097#Comment_123261097

Your post says "just don't be too reliant on nationality" but you felt the need to specify that she was from Hungary and the new tenants are Irish.

Bit of a tinge of xenophobia from the post.

[Deleted User]

My dad rented to an Eastern European woman - Hungarian. Absolute disaster (not saying this one anecdote proves Eastern Europeans actually aren't good tenants, just don't be too reliant on nationality). I don't know what she was like in person, but either she really fooled him or he's a poor judge of character. She said she was self employed, which should have been a concern, but her references were good (thinking now they were forged). Destroyed the place - broken floor tiles, kitchen counter battered, cupboards off hinges, spare toilet left like one of those extreme cleaning programmes, messed up electrics with "work" done by dodgy electrician pal - seriously dangerous, gave scumbag mates a key and they attempted to squat when she left for a council house, took anything that wasn't nailed down, said at the start she had one child... then brought two more on board. Then new scumbag boyfriend who intimidated the neighbours. My dad let it slide because of the kids (who I feel sorry for - not their fault) but made it clear how disgraceful she was (although it's not like she didn't know) and said he could advise the council. Empty threat but that made her show remorse (only for herself though, of course).

Thankfully the two new women (Irish) are great.

Barcley

Talk to a solicitor, especially one that specialises in property and rental issues. They'll probably advise you to let it go but worth doing it anyway. The solicitors fee would be a legitimate tax deductible expense.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123243341#Comment_123243341

The government don't pay a premium either

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123230155#Comment_123230155

Charities don't pay, taxpayers do

SupaCat95

I would have thought with high risk clients there would be a premium.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123222158#Comment_123222158

Charities do not pay a premium rate so I don't know where you came up with the idea

iwilldare

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SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123224009#Comment_123224009

I will take that as a yes then.

dockysher

I have 97 properties all east Europeans

iwilldare

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SupaCat95

In all fairness, OP, Did you get a premium when you rented to this charity? I bet you did. You could have choose decent people for less money. So you knew it was a possibility? Was it PMV Trust? All their shenanigans are slowly coming to light.

It should not have to be this way to rent a property. Charities/Quangos/NGOs run at fantastic costs but deliver very little in productive metric. I feel sorry that this has happened but its like the lamb meeting a wolf and claiming, I didnt know this could happen. BTW I bet they pissed off all the people in their neighbourhood.

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123200049#Comment_123200049

They are junkies, they dont even have two buttons (let alone pennies) to rub together and they dont care.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123193806#Comment_123193806

Can you contact RTB about the tenant’s damage? Would they have a new address or a way to find it if they have the tenant Pps number.

Thargor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123196540#Comment_123196540

Yeah those were the schemes I was on about, didnt realise they were finished now, tbh thats a bit sh1t, those schemes for my house were always part of my long term early retirement/get the feck out of Ireland planning.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123196480#Comment_123196480

There used to be schemes (I think not open for new entrants now) where you could either have the council responsible for handing back the place to you in the same condition you handed it over, or another scheme where you would get paid more but be responsible for that side of things yourself. There might have been minimum rental periods (such as 10 years) for the first version.

If someone was renting to dodgy characters and willingly took on the risk when they had a choice not to, in order to get higher income, then I'd find it very difficult to have sympathy

great taste lots of sugar

I only rent to East Europeans.

Immaculately clean people who usually leave shoes outside. House is always spotless and rent paid in full and on time.

I have 11 properties.

Thargor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123193551#Comment_123193551

Do the council not have to look after maintenance and damages whn you rent a house to them?

iwilldare

Thanks for all the replies, yes house is going on the market now another landlord bites the dust. Risk is too high to let it again and although there was no structural damage and its relatively minor damage, its more the principle for me. I would never treat someone elses property like that.

Mitzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123192463#Comment_123192463

Unfortunately I was in the same position previously. The damage caused to my house was about €20k but as it was a council tenant I got nothing for the repairs. Sold up at the first opportunity.

The tenant in question was given a brand new A1 rated house in the same locality just to make it even more annoying!

Trigger Happy

Change the locks and move on OP. This may seem bad right now but it could have been a lot worse.

StevenToast

Never rent to scum.

whippet

Unfortunately you will have to suck this up and move on - you won't get any joy. I had a similar situation - but with approx €15k worth of damage and had to take it on the chin. I sold up so wouldn't ever have to deal with it again