New car registrations are up 7% on last year.
New BEV registrations are up 20%.
https://www.simi.ie/en/news/new-car-registrations-7-in-january-2025-battery-electric-20
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I was once at the Applegreen on the N7 southbound for 55 minutes filling my petrol octavia. Pulled in and a bus pulled in behind me. I filled up and joined the queue behind a bunch of 15 year olds looking for sandwiches and drinks. The one guy behind the hatch was running around fulfilling their orders one at a time. I think it's the longest I ever spent refilling a car
Yes subsidised petrol and diesel. A few days after Ukraine was invaded there was a 15-20c drop in the taxes on dino juice, they got added back on at a very very slow rate, took almost 2 years if memory serves. For comparison the price of filling an electric car doubled in that time and still hasn't come back down to pre-war levels. Safe to say that any large future increases in oil will result in more subsidies for the petrol and diesel drivers
Urban short trips are the worst possible use case for diesels. As I said for me the range, where the majority of distance travelled is on motorway, can exceed 1,000km but could drop to 700km if majority was urban short journeys.
Which is the reason why people driving smaller cars predominantly in urban settings should never have opted for diesel and probably never would have except for the CO2 based taxation system introduced in 2008
I was being somewhat tongue in cheek tbf. But lots of short hops tend to reduce the mileage considerably compared to your buddy's type of driving.
If I'm doing lots of short journeys <40km my consumption goes as high as 24kWh/100km, whereas longer trips tend to average out at about 19kWh/100km.
I don't get hung up about it because the difference is pennies.
bought an EV two years ago without subsidy. While I think it was a stupid move by the govt it’s prob turned out not to be such a bad thing as sales dropped. It allowed the charging infrastructure to catch up, not that they planned it that way but it was a typical govt move to drive people into a space with incentives where there was no infrastructure and without that “pause” we’d be in big trouble now as regards public charging. Still not perfect but it’s much better.
My own personal experience after 2 years, and this whole debate is about what works for you, not convincing others what they should do, is that I have no range range or concern about a charger when driving long distances. Have a charger at home which is a must have. My car tells me where chargers are and looking at inbuilt google maps on the touch screen when driving around, chargers are now everywhere in urban areas. Still too expensive but now there’s plenty of them I think we might see more competition on the pricing. Hopefully. 40 cents a kw would be fair imho.
While I won’t be trying to persuade people about the fuel choices they make, I think the uninformed blatant nonsense people trot out about EVs due to the fuel industry misinformation campaign a couple of years ago does need to be challenged whenever it comes up.
I am an urban dweller so maybe that's why the range I saw was much lower, 15,000 km a year but lots of it 5-10km and back.
A buddy has a passat diesel and does about 50k to 60k kms a year as a rep. He regularly gets 1,300km per tank and once got 1,500kms but that was deliberately hyperlinking to max range.
My smax is a big heavy lug of a thing and would easily get 900km on a tank and again due to deliberate hypermiling I got just over 1,000 km from a fill. So absolutely believable that a modern diesel can get over a 1,000km per tank as long as there is a reasonable proportion of motorway driving and you don't exceed the limit.
It's probably because the diesel GoM says 1000km after it's filled and 100km down the road drops to 800, rinse and repeat until the actual range of 500km is reached.
Do you actually get a 1000km from a tank? I see this said a lot but don't ever recall getting range like that.
Remind us of this glorious engine you are listening to again? Isn't it a 3cyl forced induction? Must be music to your ears 😂 and it's manual aswell christ.
Not the question asked. Try again.
Best and worst ? not sure about that, I had the i3 33 Kwh Rex, 28 Usable Kwh, Could do 140-200 Kms, I got over 200 Kms on warmer days slower driving. But it had and probably still has the most range of any PHEV with pure ev drive, no connectivity of engine to the wheels. If more cars were available like this I guarantee a lot more would have sold and absolutely no need for expensive roll out of a charging infrastructure, though I suppose those with no home charging would still need charging of course but it would mean it would free up a whole lot of infrastructure for these people.
Subsidised petrol and diesel ? the amount of tax on liquid fuels is completely unjustifiable.
Powerful accelerating cars ? ICE cars are powerful enough if you get the right one, thing is , straight line EV acceleration gets boring after a while, well it did for me once the EV novelty wore off and while I'm not in a very exciting powerful petrol I really do enjoy the sound of engine and changing gears and using the clutch, in other words, I like actually driving the car rather than a more appliance like experience in EV and having a car full of tech to entertain me , I mean that's fine if that's what someone wants, the latest tech, cars have become like Iphones, everyone wants the latest model with more features and all that and while I have all the tech sometimes I want separation from it and one reason I love motorbikes, just man and machine and the freedom, I'm not into speed on bikes either or mad acceleration, the bike accelerates to 100 in 4.9 seconds and is considered a slow bike by many motorcyclists, but each to their own.
The Weight of EV can also dull the experience a lot from my experience but , I suppose a lot of people won't notice that or care.
Ah come on now, most decent chargers I've used are in places with crap food, some have both good and bad food but definitely fast food outlets needs to be in my opinion greatly reduced or encouraged to offer better food, they're just far too many of them and they're always full.
Actually, since I got the Motorbike license I've been going through towns and villages off the old national routes and I stop in somewhere nice in a local business to get a decent bit of food and I really like it, nice friendly local business people and I intend to do this on long trips in the car with the family now too and avoid the motorways for the most part, might not be able to do it all the time but it's nice to revisit places I would have gone through many times before the motorways opened, It's mad at how much you forget places.
I find the diesel supercharger network to be incredible. I easily get 1000km of range in 3-4mins, about once/month
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That's a real reason to switch to EV there Fits getting a drop of diesel on the hand, expensive way to not get diesel on your hand again. 🤣
I don't hate fuel stations, I got a lot more choice than chargers and the refill times and range is amazing ! I've rekindled my love for them for those reasons not that I ever hated them to begin with , that would be silly.
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Makes sense I suppose, I avoided a lot of public chargers taking the Diesel.
Want Be careful with diesel. It's cancerous. It has a higher change of causing cancer then petrol if it gets on your skin.
Not really sure how true this is but my Dad said he heard that on the radio one day.
I spilled diesel on my hand yesterday while filling up. That’s a pain in the arse.
Haven’t used anything that isn’t a supercharger in a year. And that’s rare enough too. I hate fuel stations.
It can be a pain in the arse, it isn't always a pain in the arse, just like getting petrol is a pain in the arse when there's a queue and some twat is doing a 5 point turn in the middle of the forecourt (which I have seen before)
I've been doing weekly trips to Athlone recently and with the cold weather I need a bit of a top up. Normally I charged at Kilmartins service station when I got lunch which was grand since they've a decent deli and I could sit and eat while charging
Didn't work out last time as I was too busy so I charged at Kinnegad instead. No queuing, but I did get struck by Ecars stupidly short cables and had to almost mount the kerb. I didn't want any SuperMacs so sat in the car reading for 15 minutes
That was a bit annoying, I wouldn't still call it was pain because if I'd needed petrol I'd have still been stuck in the same service station with the same facilities on offer
There's always good and bad places to charge, my main gripe is the best chargers are usually at petrol stations where there's just greasy fast food on offer and the facilities are crap
The problem is you didn't read or understand his post. "A lot of EV owners never need to use public chargers at all".
What's your experience of using chargers got to do with that?
The problem Fits is that when away from home and doing longer trips it's a royal pain in the arse and it takes a lot longer than just filling up with petrol or diesel. Sure, I racked up the kms from doing the usual daily commutes but the facts remain, charging away from home is a bloody pain in the arse.
I'm hearing you loud and clear and not for the first time😁 However, in the short term at least youre going to have to accept that many think differently and personally I'd prefer a phev to a diesel. From that perspective I'm glad the option continues to exist for those who don't want an EV even if some think that can only be for misguided reasons.
Before I had any knowledge or experience of EVs I thought a PHEV was a good best of both worlds solution.
But now with a little more knowledge and experience I think PHEVs are both the best AND worse of both worlds. It's different for everyone.
Also theres currently no major legislative disincentives to drive a non hybrid diesel (or petrol). So if you want one theres no reason not to.
I think the idea of half-and-half being a good idea needs to go
If you want a fuel source that's reliable, quick to recharge, will be subsidised by this and future governments and you're not too bothered on the price of a fill then petrol or diesel is the way to go
If you like powerful accelerating cars and waking up to a full tank for a tenner and don't mind the extra few minutes at a recharging stop then an EV is for you
The environment doesn't really come in to it
I'm assuming you're argument is from the basis that people shouldn't buy phevs in the first place and that everyone bar the very extreme edge case should biy an EV.
However, once the purchase decision has been made IMO its better to plug PHEVs in than not from an env position if not a financial position. I agree though, from a financial position, it only makes sense to plug in at home
I wonder do people in non hybrid diesel SUV think this is what they drive ...
It is a tax avoidance exercise. On the website configurator the PHEV version is +35k cheaper vs diesel versions from the start. But that's the VRT difference from 7% (official CO2 of 21-19 g/km) for the PHEV to 41% for the Diesel version (official CO2 200-189 g/km). Considering the big push for diesel in 2008-2014 was that it emits lower CO2 than petrol, it will be interesting to know what is the true CO2 emission of the PHEV when using only petrol to power it.
The German BMW website lists the fuel consumption of the PHEV version at 10l/10km when the battery is discharged and a G class for CO2 (>176 g/km)
With the current tax system it is a no brainier to get the PHEV vs Diesel but there is no incentive to ever plug in.
Generally speaking PHEVs don't operate in EV mode for very long and regularly have a petrol engine kicking in randomly to help the electric motor along. This means the petrol engine never really gets to an optimal running temperature and so emits more from the tailpipe than if it was optimal temperature. Not sure Air Quality is a good argument to make for PHEVs any more than "lite" cigarettes were a good argument for smokers
I would go one step further and say remove any free parking incentives for AC charging. Followed by an increase of DC charging facilities in any given area.
Or if you want to be really radical just remove parking charges for all vehicles, whether they are charging or not
I agree the environmental aspect of phevs, and indeed EVs, is way down the list of priorities for the vast majority of drivers. I suppose though air quality is the one positive externality of public charging phevs, especially in towns and cities. In fairness the one big complaint EV drivers have of phevs is that they are a fraud as many are never plugged in and yet when they are ...........
Simple solution is to remove any free parking incentive and then only the truly virtuous phev drivers will continue to use the chargers
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