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Man Utd have lost 7 of their last 11 premier league games. This thread is about the premier league.
He has started 10 of those games. Man Utd conceded in 9 of those 10 games.
All talk after a draw in the league and a draw in the cup. assists and goals are all fine and well for a CB when a team is winning and keeping clean sheets. But man Utd are not doing either. Tapping his head happy out after a draw. Do me a favor.
I'm sure he was at fault for all of them goals.
How dare he remark about mental strength after nearly beating Liverpool at Anfield when everyone said they would get hammered.
Celebrating draws seems to be ok for some.
He started off the same at Sporting and they were a mess, finally got them challenging and winning titles.
Things haven't been great but who has he that are his players. We've a hodge dodge of over paid, mix bag of players from previous managers and a new club stakeholder who is changing things up.
Chopping and changing managers hasn't worked for us in the past so us UTD fans, well most I think, are in it for the long haul with him.
He's been absolutely honest in his pre/post match interviews, which as fans, can see and have been saying how shite things have been for years and we have a coach publicly saying it now, instead of the, everything's fine we've been getting.
This is the long haul and we shouldn't be chasing the quick fix like we have since after the Fergie era.
That hasn't worked.
Edit, spelling.
Nearly beating. Once off. Man Utd.
How the mighty have fallen.
I love the Liverpool picture though, I always enjoy a dig against them. Even if I don't understand the reference as to why.
Liverpool were in a similar situation at the time, new manager implementing a total new system, took Klopp time but it worked.
All teams fall off a cliff, Liverpool over 30 years, Arsenal about 20, I've no idea who you support but I'm sure your own team has gone through it.
I've said this before. The United job is far beyond his capability as a coach. It's a similar appointment as Stephen Kenny was to Ireland. Lots of talk about the results coming in a few years.
Not much of a dig, it's a great memory. The start of it all.
Klopp inherited a poor team but only lost 1 of his first 10 games.
He inherited a team that finished 2nd just over a year before I'd hardly call them poor, but Klopp was a better manager than Amorim is, I also said similar not exactly the same.
And actually implemented his own style of play too with that mad pressing style. Completely blew us away at the bridge.
Alas that team that came second 18 months before had had the last big days of Stephen Gerrard, peak Luis Suarez, Raheem Sterling, and a fit and flying Sturridge. Just a different team with those three lads (and others) gone, and Sturridge utterly broken by then.
True but I'd still rate them better than this current united squad.....and Klopp being Klopp, I do rate him higher than Guardiola.
What I will say though is the formation wasn't changed much just his aggressive attacking style was added, Amorim is totally changing the formation, if he stuck with the 4-2-3-1 I don't think united are as bad, but him and the club want the 3-4-3 so best to find out which players can adapt and which can't.
Honestly he could be gone by Christmas, who knows but I'll give him a better transfer window before overly judging.
Also uniteds players are full of errors I've never seen so many.
Between transfers, and a proper summer of dedicated time to train, I could see them starting next season looking immediately much better.
I won't hold my breath 😅
Klopp only inherited 8 players that had featured in the 2013/14 squad. Mignolet, Sakho, Skrtel, Flanagan, Lucas, Henderson, Coutinho, and Sturridge. Of those both Lucas and Sturridge were crocked.
Yeh sorry as posted above I commented on it.
those asthma inhalers are fantastic in fairness
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Garbage take.
Terrible miss for sure and its not the first but he leads the line excellently, never stops closing down, always available for a pass, brings other players into game and still has managed 15 goals so far this season
Amorin has lost 5 out of his 7 league games at Old Trafford.
Klopp went years unbeaten at Anfield. I don't know what that record is but it was very impressive.
Trying to compare the 2 of them is delusional. You should be comparing Amorin to Frank De Boer at this stage.
Lets hope the transfers are top notch then, because the usual summer of touring America or the far east will be the next excuse as to why the coach never gets enough time on the training field.
Why even bother comparing? The Premier League is far more competitive now than it was in 2015. If things aren't right at a club, you can fall off a cliff results wise. Didn't Klopp lose 6 consecutive PL games at Anfield in 2021? And also his team fell off a cliff after competing for the quadruple in 2022. Pretty sure he had them midtable and getting battered at home in the CL despite being 2-0 up etc.
Similarly Man City fell off a cliff this season and went on one of the worst runs you could imagine a previously all conquering side could go on.
The lesson is if you don't have your sh*t together for whatever reason in this super league version of the PL, you will get mercilessly exposed. I don't think it's smart to gloat because it's inevitably going to happen to your team (again) at some point.
Im out of this d1ck measuring rubbish between Utd & Pool fans…
Pointless… 🙄
Now thats jusy untrue.....Theres also the Arsenal stuff 😅
Utd is a basket case of a club, so in fact, it's pretty clear, and has been for a very long time, that no one manager is going to be able to do anything without an awful lot of time and patience. That is the nettle that Utd have never grasped, partly because it's very hard to accept that you have to grasp it. When people say there has to be clearout, that is precisely what is needed, and that doesn't happen quickly.
They've fúcked things up to such an ungodly degree that Amorim can't succeed to any real degree. They've players on wages and contracts that don't deserve those wages and contracts. And so they can't be shifted. Players like Bruno Fernandes, while not the problem, are on elite level contracts. They are then a benchmark for other players in the squad. Players like Mazroaui are on 135k a week. De Ligt on 190k. Mount on 250k. Eriksen taking up 150k a week. Maguire on 190k I think. Onana over 100k. These are all players that nobody else is paying those wages for, and are taking up slots in the squad. Meanwhile, it's obvious Amorim's bosses aren't going to let him change the squad quickly.
I love the fact my club has Arne Slot, obviously. But I have zero doubt that Amorim could've come in to Liverpool and done an excellent job too - maybe not quite what Slot has done, i don't know - but my point is that barely anything that happens at Utd right now is down to the manager.
They'll ultimately sack him if this keeps going, I'm pretty sure. But so the cycle keeps going.
Great post. Wish we could have more of these on a regular basis 👏 and get away from the childish twitter style posts.
(MYSELF included)
but my point is that barely anything that happens at Utd right now is down to the manager
What happens on the pitch is surely down to him. Yea, he's inherited a squad, but it's not a bunch of cheap players!
Tactically he's been fairly inconsistent. I can't see him lasting too long, but if Utd clear out the players with poor attitude the next manager should have a better squad to work with.
I've no doubt Utd will be be challenging for the title again. When is the question, I'd have a stab at a guess at 5 years or so.
All of those things can be true, United can indeed be a basket case of a club filled with bad players.
But the coach should still have an effect regardless. The coach should still be able to improve something, somewhere. Should still be able to perform to at least Ten Hag levels.
What's really dangerous for United right now is blindly deciding that Amorim is a great coach and in doing so start ignoring any and all signs that maybe, just maybe, he actually isn't.
Its been like this for years now.
Can’t help liking Amorim, comes across as top notch. I think he is a very good manager but has a squad of mediocrity.
I think it’s clear in recent games he has being prioritising defence, which is fair enough given the lack of talent.
Not a fan of his formation. Many United fans want Amad as right wing back. Doesnt make any sense to me. Either left wing back to get crosses in or right side number 10. But i probably just dont understand the formation.
Interesting though that in recent days, Amorim’s honeymoon is over. A number of Sky Sports News guests starting to criticise him.
Roberto Sanchez dropped by Maresca. It's been coming
