Jayus that was one of my favourite ones encouraging fellas like Fenton to have a cut. Was my first thought. Was a bit disappointed the advanced mark was not scrapped all together.
Two players contesting throw in was something I never considered, seemed clever solution to slowing of game
Fenton from a placed ball 45?
I don't mind seeing how the 2 points from outside the arc works but 2 points for a normal 45 isn't great imo
That is only an arbitrary line though, they had to draw it somewhere. It will at least encourage more shots. personally I think most of the 2 point shots taken will be a bit further out than an actual 45m, as player's play for it and practice it.
Keepers will be practicing it as well.
Completely discourages teams funnelling back/not engaging oppostiion, also makes opposition more careful not giving silly 45's away.
Maybe a compromise would be a 2 point from play beyond the arc, and 1 point from a free?
How many counties currently have a consistent out field longer free taker at the moment. A lot of teams bring up their goalkeeper hence the lack of practice from out field players over the last number of years. The good long range free taker was an art back in the day but with the introduction of 2 points for those frees now might mean it's an art that will be brought back again?
I'm very much a wait and see on a lot of those new rules, be interesting to see how the return of the Railway cup plays outs next weekend. With no pre-season games for 2025 the NFL will be mainly used as the trial run to get teams up to speed on the new rules before the championship.
Im all for the 4-2-1 scoring but I can't wait for the first day some team win with a 2 pointer that is right on/over the line.
The place will over the top lose it's collective mind.
It absolutely will happen. And I haven't seen anything about how a contentious 2 pointer could or would be checked. Imagine in an All Ireland Final if a team scores a 2 pointer where the player is slightly over the arc and they end up winning by a point.
It will be no different to the million other times a team wins because of human error.
But because it's a new rule the outrage will be turned up to 11.
is it a visible arc? Basketball is works, not sure why it can’t work for football. However, basketball have a review system. GAA don’t
Yes. As far as I'm aware its a visible arc. But we'll find out on Friday.
Yup.. it's visible
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/1009/1474500-running-the-rule-proposed-changes-to-gaelic-football/
Running the rule - Players on which change excites (rte.ie)
it’ll be like in soccer when you’re looking to win a corner, you’d near be looking to win a 45 because it’s worth two points.You could be coming in across the end-line saying: 'I hope this doesn’t get fisted over the bar.’ You’d prefer it to hit a man’s knee, go out for a 45, and Seánie O’Shea comes up and taps it over.Does it change the one-on-one defending because a defender could be thinking ‘I’m actually OK if he scores a point’ because the penalty for flicking the ball away for a 45 as his opponent solos will be even worse.I think outside the arc should be from play only.
it’ll be like in soccer when you’re looking to win a corner, you’d near be looking to win a 45 because it’s worth two points.
You could be coming in across the end-line saying: 'I hope this doesn’t get fisted over the bar.’ You’d prefer it to hit a man’s knee, go out for a 45, and Seánie O’Shea comes up and taps it over.
Does it change the one-on-one defending because a defender could be thinking ‘I’m actually OK if he scores a point’ because the penalty for flicking the ball away for a 45 as his opponent solos will be even worse.
I think outside the arc should be from play only.
I fully agree with this piece - 2 points for scoring a 45 is too much of an advantage for nothing IMO.
I particularly dislike the new advanced mark rule. It's messy, and I don't like how forwards are given a second chance to score. It just ruins the game for me. I think it's such a forced rule to try get as many scores in the game as possible, but it's ugly.
I think we're trying to add too many rules. It's just gonna ruin the game and make it more complicated. The All-Ireland was competitive pretty much every decade up until around 2010. How many rule changes were there up until then? I really think the problem is a certain cohort of teams dominating and other teams trying to complete with that. Changing the rules of the game to counteract that is absolute madness in my eyes.
No it's not about dominance it's about teams figuring out that possession and 15 men behind the ball is the best tactic. It's about a professional level of fitness.
I don't think we need loads of new rules but definitely ones to combat "parking the bus". I know football hasn't officially gone professional but it is facing many of the same problems both rugby union and league had and they changed many rules to counteract.
It's amazing it took them so long to come up with the ridiculous changes they want to make.
Here's how to fix Gaelic football in two seconds: a maximum of 1 handpass allowed and all 6 defenders have to stay in their own half and all 6 forwards have to stay in the opposition half.
Took me two seconds to come up with that.
we would never have seen the likes of Jack McCaffrey and Lee Keegan bombing up the pitch kicking big scores in all Ireland finals of this was the case
So
No
Most people could live without that if it meant ending the horror that is the blanket defence. What I have suggested would mean no more blanket defence. And no more handpassing from side to side for an eternity either.
And the keeper should have to play as a keeper and not be allowed to play as an outfield player.
Three simple rules to save Gaelic football, which is the worst sport in the world at present, unfortunately. It's unwatchable.
About 7/8 years ago in the pre-season competitions, they trialed a max 3 handpass rule. After the 3rd handpass the team in possession had to kick pass. The players hated it and all it resulted in was teams after the 3rd handpass either giving a short lateral or backwards kick pass to a colleague. It was awful to watch. In terms on limiting the number of handpasses, that ship has sailed. A real gamechanger in terms in terms of rule changes would be clearly define the tackle and make dispossessing a player easier
64 pages on this thread about changes and none today after the biggest amount of changes in one congress sitting has been passed.
Won't be easy for players,managers,officials and supporters to adjust and having things up for review in one year doesn't convince me that a lot of these new rules are here to stay long term.
That’s why I started another thread regarding the changes yesterday as there was no traffic about Special Congress at all..
The FRC ran a 2 hour webinar for club referees last night on the rule changes- I logged in with a couple of lads from the club to get the gyst of it all.
Very, very worrying is what I'd say. In fairness to those involved it was always going to be a tricky task to present the full suite in a single remote session, but man, the confusion was significant.
The committee presenters were/are very unclear on the 2-point definition (they were flummoxed by a question from Tyrone!), the situation on advantage from a mark is a shocker and no guidance given, and the 50m advancement rule is very troubling from a referees perspective. Also, they repeatedly said that the 'players themselves' will police the 3-up rule during the game. That is not much addition to a referee.
Clearly, there are holes in the rulebook now and you can be sure the clever managers will pick them out. There is no published rulebook yet and we are weeks from the start of competitive games!
In fairness the FRC did make the effort to engage, but last night was amateur hour at best.. They have missed a huge opportunity. I am all for improving the rules of the game but based on something more than a flawed survey and even more flawed thinking. Homer nods, Jim.
I know most people immediately think intercounty when on this thread. But I think the AI club deserves more profile, marketing, hype whatever you’d like to call it.
Always feel the GAA doesn’t do marketing well. The odd time it does 1916 commemorative stuff, 125 years of GAA. The crowds come and there’s a buzz.
Need more neutrals and casual GAA fans to attend club games, especially the latter stages. I suppose when the finals were Paddy’s day it was easier for neutrals/tourists to attend. I used to go then as a neutral if the day was nice, and one or both of games were interesting.
Very hard to get someone not a somewhat ‘big’ fan interested in anything BUT a Final of club games. Someone from Clonmel would struggle to find interest in a Na Fianna vs Loughrea match for example.
No allegiances - no club affiliation and no interest in their county championships. No amount of marketing can help it. Even watching on TV is one thing but ponying up money for it? Not a hope
Regarding the BLACK CARD,
It just doesn’t work in terms of punishing a team for cynical play.
I believe a team should be deducted the value of a goal (so -4 with the new rules) if any one of their players receive a black card.
For example if a team are winning by 3 or 4 points (based on new rules) and the opposing team are having what may be their one last attack and needing a goal no one will drag them down knowing the implication of -4 points. If there is no points deduction penalty then everybody will drag a player down in that type of scenario late on.
This will also mean referees will have to be more certain on the black decision but at the end of all the players know the implication on points deduction.
What are people’s opinion on this?
New rules like watching minor from years ago. Have not seen so much space available since Covid times!
Also it seems most teams will now play an outfield fella in goal to take advantage of the 3 v 3 rule?
With the new rules need an extra number on the scoreboard to indicate “2 point scores”
given there was only one two pointer in the mayo-Dublin game, maybe it won’t be urgently needed…
Fair point (no pun intended) just in my head before I saw the impact of new rules first hand assumed managers would practice setting the shooter in the two point pocket. Sort of like how the rugby scrum half sets up for a drop goal.
Both surprised and disappointed there was not more two point attempts (only saw Dublin v Mayo game) nevermind actual 2 pointers.
Like you only saw the Dublin game, based on that seems managers may not see the two points as sufficient incentive for shooting that far out…
I'de like if RTE or whoever used a format of 1-3-20(29) for all football games. They do brackets sometimes when the scores get elaborate in hurling but it should be the norn for football now.
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