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Typical Michael Oliver
It was an awkward way of challenging no doubt....proper orange card stuff though. Was a bit more than just a challenge to stop a counter, but not exactly a leg tearing studs challenge.
Ref probably fed up with Arsenal's time wasting on their own set-pieces. Who knows ?
Id be furious if that was given against my team tbh
That whole arsenal team should be yellow carded for being in front of th refs face. He can't have much complaints there it was down his calf
Bit mad of a red
Lewis-skelly stops a wolves counter attack but goes studs first with the challenge and gets sent off.
That's a ridiculous ref card
Arsenal fans gonna lose their sh1t
Nice red card
Pretty good talent tbf!
Yeah comparing him to Robson or Charlton or something might have made sense as a young English player.
He could very well be the next Zidane, but generally you'd say that about a promising French player so it sounds a bit odd.
That's true. Fans do tend to overrate their own players alright and every club is guilty of it every now and again.
Generally it's when a club is in the 3rd-7th positions or just outside the league challenging positions. Maybe it helps them feel a bit better about their position. Eg we have the best defence in the league, if we can just get a striker we will win or we have the best attacking midfielder and midfield trio in the league, if we can sort the GK we will be challenging for the league next year. But to have so many at the same time, and be in 14th place is different.
I think social media plays a big part in this too.
Young English midfielder coming through at a big club. The hype was always going to high.
Anyways it's the Stockport Seedorf not Zidane 😉
You can do that for any club.
Loads of fans overestimate their own players when they are playing well or things are going well at their club. It's not a new thing that only Utd fans do.
Also, the club can have good players still within the squad. Overall there is a poor attitude that makes / allows good players drop their levels. That sets a rut and over time a player who did look great (Martinez for example) can see his level regress.
There's more difficult days and nights to go through yet if the club wants to set itself back on the right track longer term.
There's no point trying to put a bandage over this wound. It requires major surgery.
I don't know any United fans who expressed any of those opinions.
Wait, someone called Mainoo the next Zidane and the best young midfielder of this generation?
Was that someone here??
You might have seen the games but the opinion is still nonsense.
The poster explained it perfectly well as well but it didn't suit the lazy analysis so you got defensive
I know Liverpool fans want to enjoy this as much as possible but to suggest that Amorim is as out of his depth at Utd as Roy was at Pool is nonsense.
These players need calling out and shipping out. Fergie called out plenty of players during his time and he won a few things. But that comparison doesn't fit the narrative that is trying to be built here does it?
In fact there's a very famous example of Fergie calling his players out on TV after Winning a cup final
https://talksport.com/football/1008324/sir-alex-ferguson-age-documentary-aberdeen-man-united-gary-neville/amp/
He got that group to beat Real Madrid in a European cup final they didn't down tools because he wasn't falling all over himself to protect them.
This current crop of players need to know there is accountability for them at Utd and the free ride is over. I back Amorim 100% over his comments.
The idea that we should be pandering to underperforming players in the hope that they might find it in their hearts to try then is bullshit to put it mildly and will never correct the issues at the club
Are these the same players that Man Utd fans were heralding only the summer gone and 12 or 18 months ago?
Onana best GK in the champions league. Martinez the best ball playing CB in the league who will suit the high line in a back 3. Yoro is the best young CB in his generation. De Ligt has this massive pedigree with Juventus and Bayern Munich. Mianoo is the best young midfielder in a generation who is the next Zidane. Bruno is the best attacking midfielder in the league who creates the most chances. Rashford the best winger who is capable of scoring 30 goals a year. Hojlund was called the best young striker in Europe. Diallo is one of the most exciting wingers currently.
I don't agree with the above opinions by the way, but they were all lines that were being said by Man Utd fans in the last 18 months, who really need a reality check.
I do agree that there is a toxic culture inside that dressing room. There is a few players that love to come out with interviews and statements after games because it looks good. They are more interested in that than they are with consistency on the pitch.
At what stage or after what formation do we actually look at what is the issue here?
It's the players. And it has has been the players for years now.
You can play 3 at the back, 4 at the back, 5 at the back. A front 2, 3 or lone striker.. It won't matter if the players who are stepping onto the pitch each week are not good enough or they don't have the character to play for a club the size of Utd then you will get the exact results we are getting now.
It was the same under ETH and under Ole and even a little under Jose and LVG. You get a good performance and it's followed up with a poor performance or non-performance the following week.
This will be the case until the end of the season, it's not an overnight fix. Hopefully by that stage Amorim and those above him have identified the biggest problem players and made plans to move them on. And also replace them with players who actually have the ability AND character to play for a club the size of Utd.
Even sometimes it's better to have a few players with better characters and a slight bit less quality but they supplement the real top quality players.
We've a squad full of chancers who think they have made it when they get to Utd and don't need to try any more.
It's a culture problem inside the club
Well he didn’t stay for long enough to be a PL all timer. I think he gets about the recognition he deserves, a fine player, but should have stayed longer. He was great at playing balls over the top with the little bit of back spin to make it easier for his forwards to collect.
I heard an interview with him a couple of years ago. He talked about Barcelona and the three dressing rooms, one for the Catalans, one for the Dutch and one for what was labeled the United colours of Benetton. He said it was a disaster with all the in fighting going on at the club.
I mean underrated now, not in 1998!
Any man who scores his country's 1000th goal, as the final kick of an emphatic first World Cup Final win for his nation, has probably done alright!
He was excellent for Arsenal and then the Barcelona move was a disaster for him.. I remember an interview with him at the end of the season with Barca and he said he regretted pushing for the move.
Cant remember too much about him at Chelsea to be honest.
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I don’t remember him being underrated? Everyone was full of praise for him at the time 🤷🏻♂️
I'd be stunned if Ange is still managing Spurs this summer tbh. Who knows what Chelsea will do either sure they sacked Poch last summer. Though manager be damned, they will never have enough wide forwards😅
Alex Manninger in goal after Xmas- no Seaman. He was instrumental in double win , had a memorable night in Upton Park in fa cup.
The cutbacks also continue at the club
Thats a good point. You would think then if possibly it might be worth paying a bit extra to get a player in now especially where its getting critical to buy in that position (eg Arsenal and Sesko)
Reminds me of Fergie.
