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You can do that for any club.
Loads of fans overestimate their own players when they are playing well or things are going well at their club. It's not a new thing that only Utd fans do.
Also, the club can have good players still within the squad. Overall there is a poor attitude that makes / allows good players drop their levels. That sets a rut and over time a player who did look great (Martinez for example) can see his level regress.
There's more difficult days and nights to go through yet if the club wants to set itself back on the right track longer term.
There's no point trying to put a bandage over this wound. It requires major surgery.
Young English midfielder coming through at a big club. The hype was always going to high.
Anyways it's the Stockport Seedorf not Zidane 😉
That's true. Fans do tend to overrate their own players alright and every club is guilty of it every now and again.
Generally it's when a club is in the 3rd-7th positions or just outside the league challenging positions. Maybe it helps them feel a bit better about their position. Eg we have the best defence in the league, if we can just get a striker we will win or we have the best attacking midfielder and midfield trio in the league, if we can sort the GK we will be challenging for the league next year. But to have so many at the same time, and be in 14th place is different.
I think social media plays a big part in this too.
Yeah comparing him to Robson or Charlton or something might have made sense as a young English player.
He could very well be the next Zidane, but generally you'd say that about a promising French player so it sounds a bit odd.
Pretty good talent tbf!
Arsenal fans gonna lose their sh1t
Nice red card
That's a ridiculous ref card
Lewis-skelly stops a wolves counter attack but goes studs first with the challenge and gets sent off.
Bit mad of a red
That whole arsenal team should be yellow carded for being in front of th refs face. He can't have much complaints there it was down his calf
Id be furious if that was given against my team tbh
It was an awkward way of challenging no doubt....proper orange card stuff though. Was a bit more than just a challenge to stop a counter, but not exactly a leg tearing studs challenge.
Ref probably fed up with Arsenal's time wasting on their own set-pieces. Who knows ?
Typical Michael Oliver
Any other ref would get sacked for that. He'll get a promotion.
Very harsh red card. Oliver is one of the worse refs though
Its an awkward one. But it was above the boots with his studs up
Disgraceful refereeing again from Oliver. Must have a bet on it.
Laughable stuff really for that red. If anything it was a quite safe and gentle way to trip up a player stopping a counter. He tripped him up with the outside of foot for God's sake.
Commentators making it out that he went studs in first two legged and high. Sure was ankle height 😂
Hard to intentionally trip someone with your foot on the ground.
Or his home town team are sniffing around Arsenal
If that's a straight red then the game is well and truly fooked.
If that was for a studs up challenge it was very very harsh. If it was for stopping a goalscoring opportunity then it was the worst decision ever.
We see those tackles in every game and rarely even a yellow.
Kovatic smashed Odegard and Rices ankles twice and wasn’t sent off as Oliver didn’t want to ruin the spirit of the game.
Letter of the law at??
Absolutely a yellow for stopping a counter but if this is deemed dangerous high foot challenge, then every game from the pro to grass roots levels would be called off due to not enough players on the pitch...
Edit: added pic of initial contact which makes it an even lesser challenge.
Great first half watching that. Ipswich with absolutely nothing going forward which is what we needed after 3 league games in a row conceding first
Like the Lille game midweek it's pressure off for this second half, I just can't see an Ipswich comeback here unless we collapse and get a red card or something, we should be able to control it now and hopefully bring on the likes of Endo, Darwin and Elliott to see it out
Get another goal and maybe we're in Chiesa and Danns territory?
Splendid half though, could have scored more but 3 up is well deserved at the least
Front angle doesn't look good TBH. Studs above the ankle I'd say has sealed it
Bit of a toss-up, but it's a strange and awkward challenge in the situation. Trip, grab or barge is the normal. I'd be livid if it was given against my own, but I don't know why he went in like that.
Oliver's angle probably sees the stamp as opposed to a trip and that seals it for him. VAR won't contradict and the studs above ankle level is an easy threshold to break. Everyone's a winner - except the player and Arsenal.
Just saw the challenge. Easiest yellow card decision ever to make.
Never a red though. He's deliberately tried to trip him, I'm 100% convinced that was deliberate and not mistimed. But not over ball height and not force against a standing leg. Not overly violent and not an experienced nasty player.
Wrong decision for me, but yellow all day long so not giving any card would have been a worse outcome, at least he saw it and went to his pocket, just picked out the wrong colour
Never in a million years is that a red, I don't care what anyone says. Farcical
I don't think anyone thinks that's not a card. I'd say there's very very few people in the world who think it's a red.
Exactly, a straight forward yellow as any. Surely at this stage the refs should be outsourced. Surely at this stage it's no longer incompetence, what's the point of VAR??
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