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Genocide in Sudan

j62

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/01/07/sudan-genocide-rsf-hemedti/

We have 4-5 threads here on various Israel v assorted Islamic states

Yet nothing on Sudan where 150,000 people were genocided since 2023 by RSF (previously Janjaweed and Islamic Legion)

”The war between the RSF and Sudan’s military has plunged parts of the nation of 50 million into a spreading famine, created the world’s largest refugee crisis and sucked in fighters from neighboring nations. The death toll is unknown — large parts of the country have no internet or phone network — but U.S. officials estimated last year that about 150,000 people had been killed.The genocide designation and sanctions announcement will further tarnish Hemedti’s international image, already damaged by a drumbeat of reports that the RSF and its allied militias have engaged in a spree of gang rapes, looting, ethnic cleansing, kidnapping, enslavement, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Commanders frequently post videos boasting about their exploits, or showing them abusing villagers.”

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“Hemedti presides over a sprawling family empire estimated to be worth billions of dollars and encompassing gold, weapons, property and holding companies — much of it based in the United Arab Emirates, which has been supporting the RSF. ”

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cj maxx

I never even heard of this till now

silliussoddius

Again.

j62

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123031306#Comment_123031306

The right doesn’t care

The left can’t blame it on global Zionist conspiracy and are unable to admit that Islamics can genocide several times more people in same time frame than the Jews they hate

Anyways on NYT now too

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/07/world/africa/sudan-rsf-genocide-us-sanctions.html

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123031465#Comment_123031465

Do you really care about what is happening in Sudan, zerosquared/ that's daft?

I ask because your post comes across an exercise in political point scoring.

Should we excuse the Serbs war criminals on the basis that others killed far more somewhere else. Condemning Israeli war crimes as you know well does not equate to a hatred of all Jews. Your post also implies all Jewish people have a hive mind that agree with the actions of Israel- this is not so . In short stop being callous using the conflict in Sudan to stick it to left . There is enough hypocrisy to go around, but as a right winger you are not as keen to point out hypocrisy on the right.

RoyalCelt

Actually very refreshing to see a war like this covered for once. Unfortunately most "peace" activists don't seem to give a **** about this one.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123031898#Comment_123031898

The odd protest at the ethnic cleansing that is happening in Africa, and other parts of the world, would prove that the protests against Israel fighting in an urban environment aren't just against Israel.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123031942#Comment_123031942

This cuts both ways. The genocide in Sudan and has been progressing for some years. If supporters of Israel only mention it in 2025, and then only in an attempt to undermine criticism of Israel, this may tend to reinforce rather than refute the impression that their support of Israel might may be accounted for by a generalised indifference to genocide and its victims.

Critics of Israel might be accused of being selective in their concern; they are concernd about accusations of genocide perpetrated by Israel but not about accusations of genocide perpetrated by others. But the counter-accusation would be that those on the other side of the argument are consistent in their indifference to genocide, which is hardly a more admirable position.

NIMAN

Slaughter is slaughter, no matter who is carrying it out, but it appears not all slaughter is equal.

j62

There are three times as many marches scheduled in every city and our government is set to pass various laws and will send aid

^ that’s sarcasm

The fact that 3-4x the number are dead in Sudan in same timeframe as whole Gaza dumpster fire, and the Leftie pearl clutchers either have nothing to say or attack the poster (me) who put light on the story regularly covered in mainstream media but somehow managed to avoid having a thread here

Says a lot

I guess Islamic child soldiers backed by UAE money killing hundreds of thousands of people who skin colour is a bit too dark is not as worthy of discussion as conspiracy theories about Zionist imperialists /s

By opening this thread I am hoping to

raise awareness of this terrible war
hold up a mirror to those outraged only about the Palestinian “cause” and hopefully they will ask themselves the difficult question of why they care about that genocide but not others

Grayson

It's pretty horrific.

Question that maybe someone can answer. is there anything "the west" can do about it? Besides sending troops I mean.

Since there's inevitable comparisons with gaza, people are asking the arms shipments be stopped to Israel, that people impose sanctions on israel. What's the ask in this case?

Peregrinus

There are already sanctions in place, imposed by Canada, the UK, the EU and the US, intended to prevent the supply of funds and weapons to the RSF and (in some instances) to other parties in this conflict. Thus the West has already done more to try to prevent this genocide than it has done to try to prevent genocide in Gaza, where no sanctions are in place and Israel in fact receives substantial funds and weaponry from Western countries.

If there's a double standard at work here, it's not obvious that it's a double standard against Israel.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123031921#Comment_123031921

Why didn't you start a thread about it?

People talk about/protest what they know. It's not that they don't give a sh-t, they just aren't aware. Whether vapid or not, there's no deliberate intention to ignore other mass slaughters. And part of the OP's reason for starting the thread on it is to have a go at those who condemn the mass slaughter in Gaza, which doesn't exactly look like caring either.

Irish Aris

Mod warning:

Good afternoon everyone.

I would like to re-direct anyone that wants to discuss Israel in the thread we have about the topic. This thread is about the genocide in Sudan and all that are interested in this topic are welcome to contribute in a civil manner. Any more attempts to shoehorn Israel in this thread will be considered ignoring mod instruction and may lead to warnings/bans.

Do not respond to this post on thread, pm me if you have any questions.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058386992/genocide-in-sudan

And you know the best, or should that be worst, twist in the long running genocides in Sudan.

Good old South Africa, who these days are very fond of claiming some countries are engaged in genocide, actually in 2015 held an African Union conference in Joburg and not alone let into the country the then president of Sudan Omar Al-Bashir, but did not arrest him even though there was an international arrest warrant out for him.

In 2017 the ICC found against South Africa because

"Al-Bashir does not have immunity from arrest and all states parties to the Rome Statute must arrest him the minute he steps onto their territory and hand him over to the ICC."

Since 2008 Omar Al-Bashir had been charged as having individual criminal responsibility for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes that had been committed in Darfur since 2003.

Coincidentally these charges were ignored and dismissed for the most part in Africa and muslim countries.

Actually several African leaders labelled the ICC as racist.

They seem no longer consider the ICC as racist as they back bringing cases to it, so does anyone know if and when they are going to bring case to ICC about Sudan's genocides?

And some think South Africa is great. 🙄

BTW I do not want to drag the above mentioned country into this, but actually highlight South Africa and the rest of the useless corrupt cesspits that are in Africa that do not give two fooks about what is going on on their continent.

As long as they all turn a blind eye and run the place like sh**holes they will always be sh**holes.

jmayo

You know what I find, I don't know would you term it maybe interesting or probably more correctly saddening, about this thread?

It has just got 15 contributions and it is about a conflict, ethnic clensing and a proven real genocide that has been ongoing for the best part of two decades.

Yet another conflict which is undoubted ethnic clensing, but not really a genocide given the huge disparity in military capabilities between either side, the tiny geographic area, the massive number of possible victims versus the actual number of victims, gets absolutely massive numbers of posts and posters.

Is it that one area is closer to home ?

Is it because who is involved?

Is it that people in the West don't really give a sh** about some Africans?

I guess one could argue why should we, when fellow Africans couldn't give a sh** themselves about yet another genocidal conflict on their continent.

It is sad and I believe points to the hierarchy of victims that still to this day prevails despite all the modern shytology about equality of all cultures and the like.

And no mods I am not trying to draw in a discussion about you know where, but trying to highlight how no one seems to give a sh** about this awful long running conflict.

I find it all rather depressing.

tayto lover

People in Ireland don't seem to be worried about losing their jobs with regard to this conflict either. Maybe that's why there are very few posts.

The Government here have given millions and denounced the war.

https://www.ireland.ie/en/irish-aid/news-and-publications/latest-news/news-archive/irelands-response-to-the-crisis-in-sudan

PopePalpatine

MSF have been forced to pull out of Bashair hospital south of Khartoum due to frequent attacks by the RSF.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123042717#Comment_123042717

Isn't attacking hospitals a War Crime?

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123042786#Comment_123042786

Very specifically, yes.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123031465#Comment_123031465

Gaza has a population of 2 million.

Sudan has a population of 50 million or 25 times that of Gaza. The lancet estimate last summer was 186,000 but the official estimate is currently 46,000

Fo Sudan to be similarly effected as the official Gaza dead, the Sudan death toll would need to be 1,150,000 dead .

Might help to understand that the Gaza people cannot escape and are being exterminated.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123042786#Comment_123042786

That the least of the war crimes that have happened in Sudan.

The stuff that the likes of the jangaweed rebels did in Darfur was often sickening.

Oh and we often hear the phrase apartheid thrown around, but never for some reason about the way the Sudanese Arabs treated non Arabs.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123043411#Comment_123043411

In Nov 2024 it was estimated there were 61000 dead in Khartoum state alone.

And it is only in the latest 14 months of fighting up to that point.

No one has a real ideal of how many in the likes of Darfur.

The conflicts in Sudan have been running for decades.

BTW some reckon the death toll from current fighting is more than than 135,000 civilians where they have already perished from violence and hunger.

Nearly 25 million Sudanese —half of the entire country— are facing high levels of acute food insecurity.

8.7 million Sudanese have descended into near-famine or famine conditions.

Roughly 15 million people have been forced to flee their homes or have left Sudan as refugees. That’s nearly one in three of all Sudanese.

Over 75% of Sudan’s healthcare system has collapsed and preventable disease outbreaks are becoming common.

19 million children no longer have a classroom to attend and roughly 90% of schools are closed. This is the largest childhood education crisis in the world.

Ah but shure they can escape unlike some others. 🙄

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123044809#Comment_123044809

You seem to think you have a point

half of the entire country— are facing high levels of acute food insecurity.

100% of Gaza are facing high levels of acute food insecurity etc. what is happening in Sudan is appalling. What is being perpetrated in Gaza is even worse especially on a per capita basis.

Sudan was one of the seven countries targeted by the USA..

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2003/9/22/us-plans-to-attack-seven-muslim-states

Or more recently Jeffrey Sachs has said it was one of the seven Netanyahu wanted the USA to destroy.

The West is not providing billions in military aide to slaughter babies in Sudan so that's where activist's are focused, on the genocide in Gaza that would be over if the USA stopped funding it.

suvigirl

Why are one people more worthy 'victims ' then another people?

War is not worse in one country rather then another. It's always bad, particularly for the innocents.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123043411#Comment_123043411

Not all of Sudan is affected in the same way. You can't just take the total population and average it out. Three-quarters of all attacks have centred around three main regions, Khartoum, Gezira and North Dafur. More than half of all recorded attacks and 1/3 of all deaths occurred in the Khartoum region alone.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/14/visualising-the-war-in-sudan-conflict-control-and-displacement#:~:text=The%20main%20regions%20of%20origin%20for%20displaced%20people,3%20North%20Darfur%3A%201.6%20million%20displaced%20%2814.3%20percent%29

Your calculation is simplistic and doesn't reflect what people in the affected areas are going through. It's like foreigners thinking that all of Ireland was equally affected by the troubles, when not even all of Northern Ireland was equally affected.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123045274#Comment_123045274

Your first question is a good one to put to the apologists for mass slaughter in Gaza.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123042645#Comment_123042645

Don't let it get to you. And don't read that much into it. Most people hate when innocents suffer. There are two reasons this thread has so little traction.

1. Far fewer people are aware of the genocide in Sudan. People can't help it if they're more aware of some things than others.

2. Everyone is agreed that the slaughter in Sudan is horrific. Nobody is justifying/undermining it. So that doesn't lend itself to much in the way of discussion.

Not saying you're doing it but using Sudan to have a go at people for having the *neck* to be strongly critical of the Israeli military's operation in Gaza, is disgusting.

j62

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123045274#Comment_123045274

Melanin

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123045470#Comment_123045470

Nope, awareness. We were as horrified by the Rwandan genocide as the Balkan genocide occurring simultaneously - because Rwanda was covered significantly in the western media.

Faux concern for other races by apologists for the mass slaughter of children in Gaza is insufferable. And as for only caring about white people, speak for yourselves lads.

TheValeyard

Its definitely a very underreported and maybe not a well understood conflict.

I'd wonder if the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the destruction of Gaza by Israel were not happening would it be getting more focus and attention.