We're overdue explanations, clarity and exact figures for everything re-turn does.
We're overdue explanations, clarity and exact figures for
everything
re-turn does.
We are, but I am not hopeful. It doesnt even come under Freedom of Information from what I can see.
More is known or can be found out about MI5 than ReTurn.
As for the plastic, more than likely the bottle will melt first followed by the plastic lid and ring. It wouldn't take that much longer I reckon.
The problem isn't that, however. The problem lies with the false narrative that plastic is getting recycled, when the vast, vast, majority of it ends up at an incinerator after the first use.
Warning…some people may find that fact "boring". 😁
if actually recycled
I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.
So they compress them somehow until they are a similar density and then put the lot into a vat of oil or whatever, before the actual recycling. Makes sense.
As I said, it would be a really easy PR video for ReTurn to do to put on tiktok or youtube how the recycling process happens. The fact they haven't yet would make one suspicious….
The new bins with the ring around them, I have not seen any yet but were launched in October.
Bin bags have been banned in the city centre since 1st of January of this year.
(if actually recycled, to cut off in advance the bores who'll reply with "actually, they aren't always recycled when collected"…)
The bottles are shredded which separates the caps/rings, bottle and label plastics for separation by density. The cap ring was always there, so having the lid doesn't add complexity. Also leaves them attached on bottles which are thrown in bins or on the ground, improving the chances that it actually makes it to some form of recovery (or even landfill), rather than down a drain and in to the sea.
Dont the new bins have a ring around them so people can put the empty cans and bottles on the outer ring?
I belive bin bags are now banned from the city centre, for commercial businesses anyway.
I imagine the reason littering is not down, is because discarded cans and bottles do not remain in pristine shape for very long and therefore do not get picked up or retrieved. Instead what does happen is bins get ripped open by people on the search for undamaged media, and after gathering the few potentially good candidates, they leave the probably not returnable media behind, just on the ground.
Not entirely related but one thing has been bothering me. The cap and ring of plastic bottles is a different hardness to the plastic in the bottle itself. To melt both, I would have thought they would have to be melted at different temperatures. So, what is the thought behind the top having to stay connected to the bottle?
IMO, we are overdue a video from ReTurn detailing the entire return process. Unfortunately what happens to your returned item is a bigger mystery than Jimmy Hoffa.
Or maybe it can send money to your digital wallet.
Lots of maybe's…
Maybe the scheme could charge per receipt issued.
I had my first real RVM problem today in Dunnes.
I put in a few cans and bottles and pressed "payout".
No receipt came out. I could see the paper through the slot.
I went to customer service and reported my problem.
The assistant grabbed her keys and said "follow me". She opened the front of the RVM retrieved my receipt and sorted the roll.
Very efficient, kudos to her and Dunnes.
I'd say neither of your options tell the full story.
From my reading of the report it appears that people are still littering but the litter registered by the survey contains less cans and pet bottles.
My only agenda is to go with the scheme that the democratically elected government put in place and that is working better every month.
You are the one with the undemocratic agenda to overthrow the scheme, and the lack of care for other people queueing and the lack of care for retail staff. Instead of petty protests that only annoy other people, you would be better off forming a lobby group to push for a better system through the democratic process.
The only one who is playing fast and lose with the scheme is owner of the scheme itself. It was ill designed and it is not up to what is required that much is clear to everyone.
You may have some agenda trying desperately to instill some return ethics in people however I firmly believe that we should not accept current state as company should have start with better system - there is plenty of evidence that many other countries who started with similar system quickly moved to a better one long time before us. Company is also making more than enough from unclaimed deposits that change should have been implemented already.
We should not settle with what we got and we should demand better simply because it is our money they are freely using.
Once again. I do not care what people in front of me are doing and I also do not care what people behind me expect I should be doing. There were people in here expressing outrage about inconvenience waiting while someone was emptying black bin bags full of bottles. Perhaps there is an opening for you to design return ethics course and start educating willing participants or do something to apply pressure to return to improve this idiotic scheme where you have to literally put in one can at a time and wait till it is processed.
"Nobody is entitled to anything", yet you feel entitled to delay everyone else by printing out a receipt after every can. You also feel entitled to protest. Well, so am I, and I am entitled to protest against the idiocy of your actions with the machines.
I am sure that a busy retail worker thinks it is a great laugh having to scan in 20 or 30 of your 0.15 vouchers in order to give you cash. I suppose if they make a genuine mistake in scanning them, which is more likely because there are so many, you won't give them a hard time?
I think we all can see who believes they are entitled to play fast and loose with the scheme.
Better safe than sorry eh? It happened to me few times that machine died and I had to chase down grumpy security who took his sweet time to try to make it work and issue me my voucher.
People absolutely should print voucher after every single item placed in these machines. That may be the only way to force return to implement faster sorting machines and availability to collect money wirelessly. It can also be viewed as a sort of a protest with aim to force company to improve this idiotic system.
I do print vouchers every few cans. Even if it would be after every single can it would not slow down system considerably since system is painfully slow as it is anyway. I do not get your point of making life difficult for people behind me in a queue. Nobody is entitled to anything and as I wait patiently for my turn so does everybody else. Scanning vouchers by retail workers is hardly hassling as it is their job and they do not have to stay in longer dealing with my vouchers.
Your post is prime example of some sort of entitlement where you do think you do have some rights and I should do things in a way that may benefit you. Sorry, wait your turn.
I'll go with option 2. The one that rhymes with frolics.
Seriously though, I'm struggling to recall all of these bottles and cans that littered our streets to the point where they were a serious issue or even a massive proportion of the litter on Irish streets. You may have seen the odd crushed can here and there or maybe the odd discarded plastic bottle. But they were far and away outweighed by the likes of fag butts and wrappers etc, which are still a problem.
But there's no money to be gained by getting people to return that kind of thing, is there.
There's an awful lot of codology going on with this re-turn nonsense, almost to the point where people are dreaming up fantasies where you couldn't walk down O'Connell Street because of all the cans that were in the way.
Would make you wonder alrite.
If bottle and can litter are down but overall litter is unchanged then surely that means non-DRS container litter is up?
Have levels of fly tipping increased as people get pissed off paying for domestic wheelie bins and this DRS? How prevalent is bin raiding for bottle / can deposits and leaving a mess behind?
https://extra.ie/2025/01/06/news/deposit-return-scheme-not-reduced-litter-levels
A non RTE headline + article for some balance.
Hang on. We were told bottles and cans make up a massive proportion of litter, now the claim is that there is a 50% reduction in this massive proportion but litter levels are the same.
Either someone forgot to carry the 1 or else someone is peddling absolute bollíx.
Which is it?
Latest IBAL report shows a reduction in plastic bottle/can litter.
Still a long way to go with other litter and dumping problems though.
https://search.app/cpLm8cwpwvfyXs9y8
You have a weird idea of fun, making life difficult for ordinary people trying to return bottles and cans, and hassling underpaid retail workers. Whatever gets you up in the morning, I suppose.
I think that any conflict created by my idea will be much smaller compared to excrement in a bottle as the other guy did.
But the other guy never actually did what he said he did, unlike you….oh wait…
Sorry daddy but I do not think my manager take it kindly if I go to the bed in the middle of my night shift.
People behind you in a queue are behind you and need to wait for their turn the same as you do have to wait for people in front of you to finish. Why should I be concerned about this issue? It is return probem that they installed idiotic machines which require you to put single item in and then hope machine wont die on you along with your receipt for whatever you put in already. It may not be your style you may be loaded but I take every 15c simply because they are my own money I had to front to the return to freely use them without paying me any interest.
I think that any conflict created by my idea will be much smaller compared to excrement in a bottle as the other guy did. Also it may force return to invest portion of the money they keep to get better machines and allow people to collect their own money wirelesly when they realize they waste money on printing paper vouchers.
What would you do with the crowd of people behind you with cans/bottles to return and you messing around?Your "idea" would only create conflict.Also you should be in bed at the time of your posting.
Of course there are better ways.
Like printing receipt after every single can or bottle. It is fun to walk to the till with a wad of vouchers and ask to cash them in.
I would imaging supermarkets are finding if hard this week to find people to put new stock on the shelves in the shops. I'm sure next week the return machines will be back in action.
Great work.
With that number of cans each day they could do with a bulk machine to use.
He's a beginner 🙂
If he followed this thread he'd know to cut the barcode from the in scope can and sellotape it to the other one.
I am starting to get used to the machines a tad now.
Aldi good for having working machines and flying through bottles.
Worse by a distance marks and Spencer in Liffey valley....absolutely brutal to use. When it is working it will only work for a few bottles frequently awful.
When 3 of the major 5 supermarkets are closed and the rest are on curtailed hours... Smart
https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2025/0101/1488714-bin-bags/
The Head of Waste Management with Dublin City Council said at the time that the use of plastic bags to dispose of commercial waste was causing significant litter problems due to bags being pulled open by vermin and seagulls
Barry Woods also said that since the introduction of the RETURN scheme, members of the public opening bags looking for cans and plastic bottles had become a significant for those trying to keep the city scheme.
Barry Woods also said that since the introduction of the RETURN scheme,
members of the public opening bags looking for cans and plastic bottles had become a significant for those trying to keep the city scheme.
No one saw that coming. 🙄
