The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
I'd say killing anyone else connected is a tad more than a bit anti-social, but maybe that's just me. 🤣
Typically you whack the button to power off the charger and twist or pull the button out to turn back on the power. Often sites are left with the button pressed and it takes a knowledgeable EV owner to know how to reset and get it going. While off charger will show offline on relevant app and customer service have no way to remotely reset beyond sending out a person in a van which can take days.
When I unlock my Niro, or open a door, it temporarily reduces charging speed to a trickle and unlocks the plug for something like 10 seconds, which allows it to be unplugged safely. Is this something that happens with other EVs? It would be another way to end it.
Something similar happens with my Cupra Born.
Same with my Kona. The Niro uses the same EV platform as the Kona (cousins effectively).
Polestar have an unlock button beside the charge socket. You can use that to stop the charge and unlock the plug. Also prevents anyone unplugging the charge cable if you're away from the car.
Maybe I'm not understanding your post correctly but wouldn't having an unlock button in plain view would allow a passerby to do exactly that? The only way to unplug the Born is to press the unlock button on the car key.
It's locked with the car. Can't be unlocked without the key present. If the car is unlocked, then it can be unlocked by anyone.
45 minutes on a 50kW charger can give up to 37.5kWh, average car uses 17kWh/100km so that's 220km added to the average car
The obvious solution is of course to build faster charging but when you can just lazilly slap an overstay on why bother?
Even less, it's 37.5kWh gross, usually 35 or less to the car.
This is why I'd avoid 50kW chargers as they simply take too long. 45 minutes at a 50kW would add about 50-60% to my model 3 but 45 minutes at a HPC/SuC would typically have me comfortably above 90%
That's why the overstay fee should be eliminated for 50kW chargers - to encourage the likes of the Kona drivers (like myself) to use them as we're limited to 72kW anyway.
I actually somewhat agree. I think overstay fees should be removed or only charged when the site is full (like Tesla do). What use is an overstay fee at 2Am in an empty site with 2 other plugs available. (I had that recently as mrs elms ORA charges awfully on 50kW, nearly an hour to 80% if you pull in on sparks)
Well, if not eliminated, extended to provide 1hr30 on the charger, or something like that.
The problem with only charging overstay when a site is full is that a lot of Ecars sites are single units so they are full when one car pulls in
But on multi unit sites, which should have been the norm from the beginning this solution absolutely makes sense
An hour and a half would be mad though, no one would queue for an hour and a half. The original idea behind the overstay fees was in an environment of SPOFs to "entice" you to move on after 40-45 mins so that the person isnt waiting indefinitely. No one would queue for 1.5 hours.
Yes, and the overstay should be charged if 1 of 1 is taken. I think, as someone "could" be queuing and, unless they add a queueing feature in the app they will have no way of knowing, I think it's a good compromise.
Certainly better than paying overstay at 2am at say J14 when you are the only one at a 12 charger site!
How many 12 charger sites are there?
The overstay fees is a good idea for the vast majority of sites and the majority of time.
Removing such a rule for Fringe cases makes no sense.
It's not for fringe cases.
If you have a 3 plug site with 2 available and 1 in use, it doesn't make sense to charge an overstay fee. There are plenty of >=3 plug sites now.
I'm not saying to remove it, I'm saying to only charge it if all plugs (or even, >50% of plugs) are in use. Like tesla do. No one pays the tesla fee because it's 50c or 1E a minute if you're blocking a charger.
More DC chargers will get more people to their next destination faster than one 400w charger. If a couple of cars pull up with 50-70w max charging limits how long are they going to block that 400w charger for.
The even smarter thing Tesla does is to apply the overstay fee not based on absolute time charging but after the car's charge level exceeds a threshold, typically 80 or 90%.
They don't do that though, they apply if plugged in and not charging, regardless of battery percentage. But they only apply it if the majority of stalls at that site are in use.
Have to say the Tesla of only charging when site is full or over 80% makes a lot of sense.
I think we will have problems with so many PHEVs who will come in and sit on a charger perhaps at 3.6 or 7 KW charging.
I can't charge at more than 50 but often only the 100+ charger is the only one that's free.
There's too many complicated rules around charging. You need to make robust simple rules and not just to suit someone with a brand new EV with the latest charging tech.
Sorry but some one wanting to charge to 100% on a DC charger on a 12 bay hub in the middle of night is fringe. That's why they are the only ones there.
I see in larger sites in France etc there are AC chargers on such sites with far lower fees. So someone using it all night and to 100% is incentised not to block the fastest DC charger.
Who said charging to 100%? It's not fringe.
using1 of 3 plugs is pretty normal.
No U Turns allowed
"...overstay at 2am at say J14 when you are the only one at a 12 charger site.."
Theres a reason APRB plans your fastest route charging between 20-80%.
"...mrs elms ORA charges awfully on 50kW, nearly an hour to 80% if you pull in on sparks...
Nearly an hour is within the overstay and I'm taking sparks as under 20%. And I totally get sometimes you just need to use all the battery to get to where you are going.
I just think one rule is better than 10 rules. I just don't think many people are hitting the overstay fees at 2am on a DC charger to facilitate it.
I'm not uturning.
I agree, one rule is simplest and best. Tesla have one rule. Overstay if more than half the plugs are occupied and you're plugged in not charging. I'm suggesting an amendment to that (since esb sites dont usually have 6+ plugs) to make the one ecars rule as the following:
Overstay of 50c/min charged if your session is longer than 45 minutes and more than half the available plugs on site are in use.
I think once you get out of Dublin, the chargers are not so plentiful in many areas as to have a "lite" overstay fee be effective. It's also complicated by those 2 bay 3 charger layouts. Tesla system is completely integrated. Not so the esb chargers. I'm not sure complex rules are possible. I think complicated rules are confusing to normal people.
It's certainly worth debate.
Hi everyone,
Until now I have always just tapped my ESB card to start charging but I have lost it.
Is there a way to use the app or do I have to buy a new card from ESB?
I’m on a long drive tomorrow.
Thanks.
Just use the app. Find the charger that you're going to use in the app (quicker if location is on) and then just swipe to start the charge.
Thanks, is it the QR section of the app? Do you scan a QR on the charger?
In the app search for the ID number that's on the charger then when you click on it you can choose the side start etc.
