I wonder how this will work out for him
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That poster is perfectly aware of the facts and knows exactly what he is doing.
The student wasn't his pupil at all. He didn't need to address them as anything.
This faffing around with them is a nonsense. The Department of Justice and Department of Education need to have a discussion and put a plan of action in place. They are making a mockery of the justice system. Why are the fines not being collected ? Their brainwashed children, now adults are pretty much Unemployable because of their combined shannanigans. Hit them in the pockets and see how their appetite for fcukwittery pans out. I have a friend who is clinging on to life with a serious illness and these fckwits are just wasting their lives. Those parents are a disgrace. Devout Christians my bol..Lix
Unfortunately, the last few posts confirm I was correct.
Well put. Way back I too thought that there was possibly a case. Or at least pertinent questions. But as soon as he went into full tantrum mode, any questions went out of the pram along with all the toys.
Way back in the day, one of my teachers said to someone in the class (probably me!) : "don't weaken my case by agreeing with me". Burke is a person any gender critical person should avoid like the plague. It'd be like having Úna Bean Mhic Mhathúna (remember that nut job?) on your side. Jesus that makes me shudder.
Edit: I take that last bit back. Comparing anyone to that woman is going too far.
So if his appeal against his attempted dismissal is successful ( unlikely but possible ) you will advocate that the school reinstate him?
The school could have handled the dismissal better, as deserved as it was. Procedure should have been ironclad.
If he's succesful in his appeal he should go back to work. If he cannot follow school management decisions he can then quit himself and find another school more suitable for his beliefs.
His views on transgenderism wouldn’t be an issue ?
His views on transgenderism are his to deal with. The same way we all have to deal with transgender/gay/lesbian issues.
The issue again is you are trying to manipulate the facts of his dismissal with his/you views on transgender issues.
So if his appeal against his attempted dismissal is successful ( unlikely but possible ) you will advocate that the school reinstate him ? His views on transgenderism wouldn’t be an issue ?
Nope this enochs a victim narrative has been shown to be absolutely false too many times to count. He could have approached this issue constructively and as has been discussed many times in this thread may have even had a valid case to be heard but he chose to be an idiot and blow up at his boss in a public setting which is the only reason why he was dismissed from the school.
He wouldn’t address a pupil by their chosen pronoun which is what his employer wanted him to do . He refused.
By his own actions; he denied himself the opportunity for an amicable compromise/resolution.
Everything else including the event and the attempt by the school to dismiss him is consequential to that. Those are the facts.
And there's my point made again. You don't still understand the issue of his dismissal.
At the very least , people should be honest with themselves wherever their views of the Burke’s.
If you cannot be honest about the facts, who are you to tell others to be honest.
Once again, trying to redefine the facts because you don't like them doesn't work.
You're the one with the severe problem being honest here.
He wouldn’t address a pupil by their chosen pronoun which is what his employer wanted him to do . He refused. That was the originating issue . Everything else including the event and the attempt by the school to dismiss him is consequential to that. Those are the facts . At the very least , people should be honest with themselves wherever their views of the Burke’s.
They government can audit whatever they want. The cannot go after assets that do not belong to Enoch in order to satisfy his debts.
The chances of any of the Burke family being members of any trade union are slim to none.
Oh they understand.
If he felt he wasn't being heard, why didn't he contact his union? Or have a chat with Ami and Simeon about how he could go a legal route if he felt his rights as a Christian teacher were being infringed. Maybe it's acceptable in your profession to aggressively confront your boss in public but I can see why it isn't in Enoch Burke's case. You were in school once - put yourself in the head of a teenager. You'd love to see a teacher going rogue and undermining the head teacher. That's exactly why it was a no-no.
From The Irish Times
…Mr Burke stood up as a bishop was about to deliver the concluding prayer at the religious service, before a congregation including staff, students, community leader and clergy, and spoke for about 2½ minutes. She (the school principal) considered his challenge to her direction in such a public manner was “disrespectful” and saw sixth year students walk out of the chapel as he was speaking. She was “absolutely horrified” for the transitioning student, by Mr Burke’s remarks.
and
Niamh McShane said she also felt “agitated” and “hunted” when Mr Burke approached her at the end of a dinner following the service on June 21st last. He again asked her to withdraw her “demand” and stood so close to her that, although he was not spitting at her, she “could feel his spittle”.
Anybody who has seen the Burkes in action will have a good idea of how this encounter looked and sounded.
I think you'll find that even if you like shouting at your boss, you've never overstepped the mark in the way Enoch Burke did.
Also from the same testimony: Can you explain why Enoch Burke didn't challenge the same scenario when it happened in November 2021 to another student?
A similar request she made to teachers in November 2021 to address another transitioning student by their preferred name and using they had gone unchallenged, the court heard.
The most infuriating things is that this happened in June 2022 yet two and a half years later people still cannot understand the facts of the case.
There's never been any indication that he ever attempted to go any other route with the school. He could equally have gone to his union if he didn't feel like he was getting a fair hearing. So nope, he behaved unacceptably and in most professions he would be facing disciplinary action.
The government should audit his and his entire family's financial affairs.
it’s after costing over 100k to keep this knob fed and watered in prison for 500 days alone. Nice to know taxpayers money is being spent on these wasters.
Again untrue. He was given the opportunity for a fair hearing by the the School principle but unlike a reasonable person Enoch decided it was for discussion there and then, and only on his terms. The Principle offered explicitly to discuss it with him at another more suitable time (and I'd contend more suitable manner) so that some agreement could be reached.
He then proceeded to act completely inappropriately to say the least which led to him being correctly dismissed. Anyone acting like that deserves immediate termination.
Edit: Let's not forget Enoch and the Burke family have been given multiple various fair hearing opportunities via different forums and for differing issues. Look at the consistency of how they behave during those fair hearings; they aren't interested in 'Fair', only enforcing their way.
It would never have come to what happened at the event if he had been given a fair hearing .
The hierarchy at the school decreed that their way of dealing with the original issue was going to be bulldozed through and that was that. That approach happens repeatedly in many walks of life.
His view as an individual teacher was never going to be listened to .
Why is this lunatic getting airtime?
Roar at your hoss at a public event and suffer the consequences.
Yeah whatever, in practice it just doesn't happen
That's not what the post you replied to was saying. Read it again.
It doesn't really matter, as he's rendered himself unemployable in any school in the country through his own actions.
RTE aren't great with figures…
Did you shout and roar at your boss at a public event to the extent that others had to hold you back?
Don't think so.
It's curious how people keep trying and failing to make excuses for his foul behaviour.
Mod: A reminder that this thread isn't about transgenderism. It is about the work place behaviour of Enoch Burke and the subsequent legal action taken by the school. Please be civil and report any posts that cross the line rather than responding on thread. Do not reply on thread to this, PM if you have any queries.
They can't touch anyone's assets other than Enoch's.
BK5 9:37 am
Would love to see the day when they actually start taking money and/or property from the Burkes. You'll see how nasty Mammy really is then.
felonious_Gru 9:50 am
They won't take their home, unless they have other assets?
That’s just nonsense. Unless the parents were daft enough to transfer the family home into Enoch’s name, and there is no evidence of this, there is no risk to that asset. Only assets in Enoch’s name (sole or joint) are in play.
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