I wonder how this will work out for him
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Enoch Burke is an ass.
The law is the bigger ass.
Is that not a sign of mental illness?, would hospital not help the guy more ?
He couldn't return to the school either while in hospital
Psychiatric hospitals would be bursting at the seams if you put everyone in who believed in God. The burkes, as mad as they are, are free to believe what they want, I’ve no issue there.
It’s their generally disruptive behaviour overall as a result of that belief is where the issue is.
So what you are suggesting instead is having a judicial system that punishes offenders but lets them off if they refuse to accept the sentence.
Your suggestion of letting him out is totally daft and has no understanding of the concept that nobody is above the law!
people don’t get sent to psychiatric hospitals for fixed terms that’s prisons you’re thinking of. They get committed to psychiatric hospitals until the doctors feel they are okay to leave. Sending him there for a year would be an outrageous abuse of his human rights.
That's the equivalent of sending Mary Lou McDonald or Michelle O'Neill to a psychiatric hospital for a year to turn them into Loyalists. Enoch Burke and his siblings are not mad. They're precisely the sort of people their parents wanted them to be from day 1. They were shaped by their upbringing in a more striking fashion than most people are. And although I disagree with the way the Burkes conduct themselves, I have some sympathy for the children. They never had a chance to be anything other than what they became.
Well most people who believe in God aren't carrying on like Enoch burke
Yet some in here are fine with Burke spending the rest of his life in prison but it's monstrous to commit him to hospital for a year?
That's commitment to procedure all right
I don’t think you do
He definitely doesn't or is pretending he doesn't. Trolling at this stage I think.
He is choosing to be in prison. He can leave when he wants, you on the other hand want him sent away for a year to a psychiatric unit. This whole thing is because he won’t obey a court order, if he’s out after the year in the central mental hospital and continues to break the court order what then?
Can you tell us why Burke is not walking out of prison tonight because it seems like you really don't understand (despite being told numerous times)?
Do You understand the difference between him choosing to stay in prison and him being forced to stay in an asylum?
Its really not. And forcing him into a psychiatric institution to stop him choosing to stay in jail is not the clever solution you seem to think it is.
Also if you think our prison and justice system are overwhelmed and this is a waste of time and money for them you really should look into our mental health facilities. Forcing someone in there as a punishment who absolutely doesn't need it and would ultimately cost the state even more than him being in prison is counter to every argument you've made so far in this thread.
Burke seems to be fine with spending his time in prison.
If it's his choice, who are you to say otherwise?
When the alternative is week after week of lengthy commutes, then sitting or standing outside a school for 7 hours a day in all weathers, prison starts to look attractive. Especially this week with the dreadful weather we've been having.
I still think he missed a trick when he came out of prison after that first time. He had an out to go a different route at that time and that's the road he should've taken, especially with lawyers in the family. He has well and truly painted himself into a corner and there is no obvious solution. If he's let out, he could theoretically keep returning to that school until he reaches retirement age. What's that these days for teachers? 70?
But, as the joke goes, the lightbulb must WANT to change….
If he chooses jail, who am I to get in his way?
Not only would that be impossible here, it would be a shocking waste of valuable resources.
Involuntary admission to psychiatric hospital is ostensibly for 3 weeks and then a tribunal is held to determine fitness to be treated back in the community. Burke is not mentally unwell requiring treatment, he just needs to cop the **** on.
Burke is not mentally unwell requiring treatment, he just needs to cop the **** on.
… which is exactly what we've been saying all along.
Third person, personal pronoun
From a parallel case in the States, this teacher was faced with a near identical situation to Mr Burke, only this US teacher was wiser and more inclined not to explode, but rather to tackle the issue step by step, through due process and without any breach of the law.
Video / interview attached.
How Burke should have delt with the initial situation at the school.
But they believe the disruption is necessary. they believe that they'll to hell if they don't.
I have to say, I partly agree with Gru. The Burke kids were brainwashed. Their parents fed them this ultra religious crap. What Enoch needs is to go through one of those cult deprogramming things.
Thing is, sending him somewhere to be reeducated, has a really bad ring to it, for obvious reasons.
So we're stuck with the option of prison, or letting a guy who's been barred from a school, hang out at the school.
… but that's not what Burke wants - that won't get him any attention other and a soundbite on youtube and maybe RTE and it'll be forgotten in a few weeks.
In EVERY conflict, there will always be people who want the attention and the aggression way more than a solution. Burke is one of those people.
Show's the mentality of the Burke's though. The student was not even in any of Enoch's classes. He could as others have said made a cordial, well thought out argument and had his views listened to. As we all know he chose a different option.
But he also could have done nothing, absolutely nothing, chose to ignore the student and he would still be in his job today, that student is probably gone from the school at this stage.
But that's not the Burke way.
He’s won’t give an undertaking and the Law can’t be seen to let him off otherwise everyone will give the court 2 fingers. Only solution I can see is if he’s given a sentence for contempt, say 18/24 months rather than saying he can’t get out unless he says sorry and when that’s up he’ll be out without being seen to be giving in.
“He could as others have said made a cordial, well thought out argument and had his views listened to. As we all know he chose a different option.
But he also could have done nothing, absolutely nothing, chose to ignore the student and he would still be in his job today, that”
He could have done either, but the family’s crusade would not have had 3 years in the news, week in, week out, one or the other of them. They have studied at the Michael O’ Leery school of how to stay in the news.
They’ve sacrificed their children for their own beliefs.
Michael O'Leary has made a great success of his life and his family, the Burkes… not so much.
Did anybody see the the tik toks of the crowd out side Wilson’s yesterday protesting and going to march on the Joy today to Enoch released, who was the fella giving the speech at the gates of the school in the brown coat, wonder was any of the Burke clan present.
was it the dog kicking, crèche invader, bigot Philip Dwyer?
delighted it’s pi55ing rain out especially after a few nice fine dry days!
No comparrison, other than their love of publicity and their efforts to stay in the news.
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