Following on from here
New Munster chat thread folks. warning deserved there. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=109477571#post109477571
Watch it again. The castres player did well but if he had just stood inside the touchline he could have also just caught the ball.
Absolutely it's on Crowley.
Crowley did not have a good game yesterday - although I thought he was excellent last week. But I really don’t understand the pile on?
Interesting to see Bleuler get penalised (correctly) for the tackle that knocked him out. There was discussion on another thread (Ireland I think) about Prendergast tackling an Aussie player when he was off his feet. A few posters said no ref would ever penalise that and one even pointed out Dan Lydiate did it all the time.
Wrong. It was a great bit of play by the winger.
no. It looked dramatic but from one angle you can see the winger could have stood just inside the touchline and caught the ball comfortably.
It can be both a good bit of play from the Castres winger and a mistake by Crowley.
watched some of the game back today.
lots of gaps around the breakdown , at the pillars or opportunity for an inside pass to open them up. We seemed very intent on going laterally looking for the touchlines when it was yielding noting.
The most glaring one is off the forward pass to JOD, Crowley’s pass before that had Barron straight into a gap if he passed the ball inside instead of outside.
It was poor kick from crowley, it should never have been that tight. The castres wing did well but the kick was way too short of where it needed to go. It should never have been possible to keep it in play.
Munster weren't chasing a 4th try. I could understand the risk if a TBP was possible and needed.
They needed field positon and possession So they could go for a drop goal or work through a few phases for a penalty within range.
shows how far we’ve fallen ….we should of been targeting 9/10 points from these 2 games ….any team serious about winning this competition would of targeted that as minimum
Winning Europe is well beyond this squad. Not sure anyone was expecting them to challenge.
But I dont think anyone would’ve thought Munster were realistic contenders at the start of the season. Throw in the Rowntree situation and it’s even more so. A QF and targeting the URC should be the aim now. That’s just the reality unfortunately.
Agree. And you didn't even mention the continuous injuries
Scrums don't matter until they matter and then nothing else really matters.
You can win the league with an average 10 but you won't do it with bad props.
Did Munster not win the league with bad props 18 months ago?
I wonder could we tempt Noel Mc to Munster
i think when rountree got his last orders. Bordeaux signed Macnamara up until 2027.
It's a LaR raid.
Just reading Jack man in the indo & says there should be a real clear out of the squad.
All fine to say that but replace them with who exactly
Articles like that bug me when there is no viable alternatives given
So jackman bullshitting and bluffing with no meaningful action. No surprises there
gob and the other thing comes to mind. Jackman shoots from the hip and does not really think through these things. Yes. There may be a few within the squad who are on the margin but that is the same with every team. The team is not a million miles away from and run injury permitting.
watched the game, poor result, Castres were down to 14 men for 30mins. We have a serious problem in the front row, as someone said above where are our props/big ball carrying forwards gone. Still plenty of lads playing rugby week in week out for clubs/schools..why are Ireland as a whole struggling to develop players in these positions. Never feel when we are near the oppositions line that we have the bulk to punch a few holes. Met Jager and Killer recently after a game, jesus I'm bigger than the two of them, but also 46 now…people talking about crowleys miss for touch, yes was an error, but its not like our lineout was bullet proof and people saying we just needed to go through a few phases, we were likely to go backwards with our ball carriers. Ulster is the next test, thats our level unfortunately at the moment and they are getting hockeyed week in week out in europe but at least re-building, we need some kind of result there, but Casey will be a loss for the season which will pile more pressure on Crowley.
like jackman tbh and lot of what he pointed out is true …..question is how the Munster branch and Irfu have let us regress so far ….the big problem in our squad is in the forwards ….ww have a good few near end of road ,few constantly injured and few call a spade a spade ….not good enough to win us trophies ……half backs also now a problem we have one top quality 10 who is low on confidence and not playing well …but to give him his dues he will come good ….after him a huge step down in quality ….with Casey’s injury looking long term we’ve an issue there as well ……from a proud team/province who’s team and previous success was built around a strong pack and half backs we are a long way off
our squad it seems are made up of players who are A: Up and coming B: On the way down C: Good (being topped up by IRFU Contracts) but not good enough for central contracts. Crowley and Casey you have to imagine are on top ups from IRFU, if they were on CC it takes some salary pressure off to spend elsewhere, or keep some other players. Look at Carberry as an example…as soon as IRFU decided that he was a busted flush he lost his IRFU top up and we cant afford him and he's off to Bordeaux, who are 2nd in top 14 and joint top of their champions cup pool. This will continue to happen.
We've had the front-row problem for quite awhile now.
Going back to the CC SF in 2016/17 season, we still have 4 of the same players 6 front-row from the 23 that day in our the squad. When you compare what we were up against even then, it's easy see we were up against it. Now those players are 8 years older.
It's been the obvious weakness in our squad for ages, and as much as I've enjoyed Archer's form in the last season or 2, we really need to start seeing some change there.
Munster
Saracens
1
Killer
Vunipola
2
Niall Scannell
George
3
John Ryan
Koch
16
Rhys Marshall
Schalk Brits
17
Cronin
Lamositele
18
Archer
Petrus Du Plessis
Irfu have jettisoned attempts the fix the front row problem with Niqs. Only alternative is try and develop them.
A slimani type signing would help
Who had Kleyn becoming snyman esque with his injury record on their bingo card?
A tragicomedy at this stage.
In all seriousness would a thigh injury suggest another S&C triumph?
At least with Casey is a meniscus injury and not a cruciate, so he may be able to get back later this season. The Kleyn injury sound ominous though, hopefully maybe Edogbo can get back early in the new year.
Lads, could ye post a link to the squad update in future instead of just randomly talking about it's contents?
Craig Casey suffered a meniscus injury and will see a specialist this week for knee surgery.Thaakir Abrahams suffered a shoulder dislocation and will undergo scans this week to determine the need for surgery.Dian Bleuler was removed after failing his HIA and is following the return to play protocols. He is not available for selection this week.Diarmuid Barron passed his HIA and will be monitored this week following a shoulder injury. His availability will be determined later in the week.Peter O’Mahony suffered a calf contusion and his availability will be assessed later this week.Jean Kleyn is seeing a specialist after suffering a thigh injury last week.Liam Coombes underwent surgery last week after sustaining a chest muscle injury in AIL action earlier this month.Conor Murray (elbow) remains unavailable.
Craig Casey suffered a meniscus injury and will see a specialist this week for knee surgery.
Thaakir Abrahams suffered a shoulder dislocation and will undergo scans this week to determine the need for surgery.
Dian Bleuler was removed after failing his HIA and is following the return to play protocols. He is not available for selection this week.
Diarmuid Barron passed his HIA and will be monitored this week following a shoulder injury. His availability will be determined later in the week.
Peter O’Mahony suffered a calf contusion and his availability will be assessed later this week.
Jean Kleyn is seeing a specialist after suffering a thigh injury last week.
Liam Coombes underwent surgery last week after sustaining a chest muscle injury in AIL action earlier this month.
Conor Murray (elbow) remains unavailable.
https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2024/12/16/squad-update-munster-prepare-for-ulster-in-belfast-2/
While there have been muscle injuries, the vast majority have been impact injuries.
Just look at the injuries from Friday night. Very little the S&C can do about those.
I jinxed it….
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