I think it will be FF/FG again with god knows who. Hopefully a left wing party
It will be November 15th
Paschal wondering why Hutch got such a high anti establishment vote: Probably because successive governments you are a part of have left parts of your Dublin central constituency deprived and ignored.
FFG + II at 92 on that prediction.
Maybe you'd prefer to listen to Micheál talk about it himself.
'We haven't completed our mandate': Tánaiste says there's work to finish which cannot be rushed
Maybe they give them the rotation but take the bulk of ministries. The Taoiseach doesn't really have executive powers like a directly elected president in other countries.
I doubt it.
FF have to pick either SF, FG or another election.
Hutch in trouble...only up on Sherlock by 124....Paschal Donohoe big surplus to come.
So if the gap is plus 10 between FF and FG would FG want to go in government if they can’t get rotating Taoiseach?
Jesus Sinn Fein and yere mandates.
You would swear McDonald gets money for every time she says it or something.
They've got the largest mandate so the buck stops with them for the government that forms.
There's no mandate for SFF.
The transfer pattern showed people voted for FG and FG.
That's what they want.
10 seats is nothing when you consider FF and FG got a very similar first preference.
FF doing so well could be their undoing. It would suit them to be closer to FG.
With small parties not being open to being a mudguard and suffering same fate as the greens, there will be more pressure for FF to coalesce with SF + 1 other party, for a stable govt.
It would also mean MM gets to be a 5 year Taoiseach
FG will not want to be junior partners for 5 years either, they may make negotiations quite difficult. Definitely wanting the rotating Taoiseach, but a 10 seat gap makes that unlikely
They should have walked when Gilmore did. Burton ended up being a Fine Gael stooge.
Bertie only needed Fianna Fail DNA independents though. The thing of independents being for a particular party isn't what it used to be and you also have a bunch of lunatic ones now too.
Seat prediction on RTE Radio (didn't catch psephologists name)
FF 49
FG 38
SF 38
SD 12
Lab 9
II 5
PBP 4
AO 1
GP 1
Ind 17
That'd be FF/FG 87…
I’d say o riordan is not alone in that view
can’t see any of the smaller left parties compromising their principles to prop up FFG and get decimated at the next election
independents are the most likely path for FFG, but the numbers will be tight and they will extract a high cost for their support
Perhaps, but it is always easy to piss into a tent when you have nothing to lose than piss out of it when you do.
No fan of FG, but the drubbing Labour got in 2016 was more their own making than caused by FG.
Agreed Charlie, but he’s also not wrong is he?
I voted for him last time. But for me he was too pro FFG over the last term so I gave him a miss this time round. Why others didn’t vote for Him I have no idea.
Easy enough for O Riordain to say with him being an MEP. If he had just been elected a T.D. he might have a different view.
Cathal Berry getting an answer to his warmongering/join NATO sthick. Eliminated.
Just seen Calleary got elected in Mayo. Seems anyone who turns their noses up to the law has a right to be elected.
Not her per se, but more Labour. I was a lifelong Labour voter but Gilmore, Rabbitte etc completely put me off ever voting Labour again
And falling asleep Watching their plantations grow.
Labour getting a hammering in 2016 was all of their own making. They campaigned in 2011 against water charges and received 19.5%, but by the time the 2016 election was called Joan Burton and Alan Kelly were both front and center on imposing water charges and they received 6.6%
I`m not sure how much of this idea of the minority party losing out to the extent the Green`s did is credible because of them being a mudguard for government policies. Mudguards to not absorb or deflect all the mud. You are going to still get splatters on your body work, yet here that hasn`t happened to either FF or FG who have both held their share of the vote.
That to me would suggest that the policies the Green Party pursued, (some very aggressively when they made little or no sense in relation to climate change), were the reasons they have been wiped out electoraly.
If labour are needed to get across the line and are only option and can turn that into guaranteed promises for programme for government, then they should go in. 5 years of government and no seats next time out is better than 5 years of opposition - assuming they can get a chunk of their policies implemented.
If FF +FG are very close and have other options, then it means labour (or Soc Dems, etc) will have a much weaker hand to play. In that scenario there's no point in being the mud guard with little to show from it, so it'll be the independents to take up the slack then.
After seeing what happened to the Greens would the SD or Lab go into government. Whoever does probably gets smacked in 5 years time
Why? She is a very typical Labour td. I know boards has an issue with all female politicians, but is there a specific issue with Bacik you have?
On the upside, they'll have plenty of time for growing food on their window sills as uncle Eamon once recommended.
He cost them votes and seats across Dublin with his busconnects blocking i would say.
