I think it will be FF/FG again with god knows who. Hopefully a left wing party
It will be November 15th
I've had Aontu twice, Labour once and the Greens once.
SF appear to have toned down the involvement of Northern Ireland canvassers since the locals, probably have them working away online in the back office, so I haven't had them yet either. FF not bothered it seems, and most of the independents don't have the numbers. Emer Currie has been at every shopping centre, pub, school, village street etc. but not door-to-door and the SD candidate has been anonymous.
Avoid the point. Fair enough Clo, I know when you are stuck for an answer.
Cue: 'something something we don't need 100 posts'.
I have only had 2, Catherine Murphy and James Lawless. Both extremely articulate and personable. 1,2,3 going their way
I made the point, you are the one avoiding it
In regards to the 100 posts, well this is excellent example of you posting the latest load of nonsense and not discussing the actual point becuase you can't post anything bad about PSF. Hilarious to watch you jumping around the facts.
According to you hiding paedofiles is ok once PSF do it. For me, no it's not
What fact? That there was only one side involved in the conflict? Do you believe that or not?
You do spout an awful lot of nonsense and lies. It was your beloved loyalists who killed the most civilians with 48% and, your beloved British army killed 10% of all civilians. More catholic civilians were murdered than Protestant civilians. Loyalists accounted for almost 50% of catholic civilians death and the British army almost 15%. IRA less than 20.
No need to rewrite history and agree with MM that there was no 2 sides which is shameful.
Civilians being murder is disgusting no matter who does, it’s never justifiable and they all should be condemned no matter who did it.
How FF works seems to concern you greatly. It means little to me.
Bottom line is I think its likely they will end up in coalition talks with SF.
How the internals work out how to get to that point is irrelevant.
Have you heard MM speak about SF?
There is not a chance they will coalesce this time around.
In the future, under different leasdership on both sides, perhaps.
The experience of the other parties is to create crisis after crisis. It's not so much that I'd trust them but I'd trust the other crowd a lot less
The PIRA campaign was unjustified and is unjustifiable. In that, MM was absolutely correct that there were not 2 sides. Yes, there is a story of nationalist suffering, but like retaliation on the field of sport, what the PIRA did was 100% absolutely wrong.
That is why MM correctly asserts that a proper apology from Sinn Fein is needed before they can be part of government. Not only does that apology have to be given to the British people for the wrongs inflicted on them, but it also has to be given to the Irish people and to families of people like Jean McConville, Garda Fallon, Garda McCabe, and PO Stack. It cannot be mealy-mouthed as SF apologies tend to be.
🤣 Beloved loyalists
You are the one trying to rewrite history, the PIRA killed more Catholics than anyone
You need to wake up and do some fact checks, as I lived in the North during the troubles the biggest fear in the community was from PIRA, bunch of criminals who killed anyone for no reason
By the way PSF also protected all those scumbags who went off in Real IRA etc.
It doesn't concern me in the slightest, just pulling you up on it because you haven't a clue. That's the only bottom line
Did the conflict involve only one side? (that is what MM claimed)
Yes or no?
We don't need Clo Clo's deflections and completely different point here.
A few days ago i was attacked on here for suggesting the Greens would be the biggest losers tomorrow.
I stand by what I said, and it looks like I was right.
When’s the apology coming from the loyalist masters who ran an apartheid bitter statelet with widespread gerrymandering and cracking down and killing civil rights protests. Loyalist paramilitaries killed more civilians than nationalist groups combined wheres the apology there? They killed more civilians but you complete ignore that. Where’s the British governments apology for widespread murdering of civilians and colluding with loyalist terrorists to kill civilians? Where’s the apology from them for their part in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings?
As expected, jump around the point. Down the Francie rabbit hole of noise as usual. Leave you to it. Credibility 😂
I work from home, so am here all day and most evenings. Not 1 single canvasser has called.
Well you obviously grew up a in loyalist area then, the loyalist terrorists and British army by far killed the most of catholic civilians as listed above. Seems you can’t denounce any murders committed by them as you’re bitter where I condemn all murders. Sad what bitterness and hatred does to a person.
Are the loyalists trying to get elected and form a government here?
Let's be honest, the loyalists sucked. They did awful things. It's not justifiable what they did. The IRA and inla sucked. They did awful things. It's not justifiable what they did. The British army sucked. They did awful things. It's not justifiable what they did.
These are independent statements, but all are true and all can be true at the same time.
The biggest issue I have with sinn fein is that they still claim that the IRA were justified in what they did in the troubles. They still have commemorations for the "brave volunteers" who wanted to blow stuff up or murder people or whatever.
True to a point, though he's spot on about Hutch in Dublin Central! 😉
Your point is irrelevant and has nothing to do with something claimed during the election. Do you also believe what MM does, that there was not 2 sides involved in the conflict/war? Yes or No?
Pressed post too early.
What I meant to add was that this history and their current viewpoint doesn't seem to stop a lot of people voting for them, and that's cool. But it is a perfectly valid reason for the other main parties to avoid them if they so wish.
And yet you MM praising and defending a child killer, 7 year old son of a TD burned alive so it’s pretty hypocritical of him to say anything
Same!
I provided the information and you ignore, ignorance is bliss.
We had FF & FG within hours of each other, the first full day of the campaign IIRC. Nobody since and I hadn't expected anyone…
Thankfully the media is paying attention to it. This is a worse gaff than RIC/Black and Tans was. He'll probably get away with it too.
If there was a 15 seat gap between FF and FG do you think FF would offer FG parity in a coalition - ie rotating Taoiseach and same number of plum departments and cabinet seats?
Micheal Martin is more a hardline unionist than John Bruton, had been for a long time.
It's not he is anti SF or army, his treatment of the SDLP and FF members was and has been nothing short of gratuitous insult.
And if you break it down what you posted loyalists terrorists killed over 700 catholic civilians, UVF alone accounted for hundreds of these. British army 160+ catholic civilians, RUC around 50 and the IRA 79. Ignorance surely is bliss for you.
Once again it’s sad and quite telling you can’t unequivocally condemn the murder of innocent civilians. You’ve repeatedly ignored it, silence is an answer.
