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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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    #1712
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851788#Comment_122851788

    Yes, termination is possible for any reason up to 12 weeks. After 12 weeks you can only get an abortion in extreme circumstances, of the pregnancy Puts your life at risk

    Risks serious harm to your health

    Is likely to lead to the death of the foetus before birth or within 28 days of birth because of a problem with its development

    Aontu want to take away the option for termination within the first 12 weeks, if there's a chance there may be a disability. I don't know are they planning on forcing every woman to take a test to ascertain that, before they force them to give birth.



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    #1713
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851814#Comment_122851814

    I can't get my head around that. Why would Aontu want to stop the killing of a baby before 12 only if it's disabled? Why not all cases?

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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    #1714
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851814#Comment_122851814

    If only the foetus could claim asylum.



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    #1715
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851826#Comment_122851826

    It's a very strange one alright, maybe they believe they would get more sympathy for these cases?



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    #1716
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843332#Comment_122843332

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


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    #1717
    aero2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭aero2k


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851758#Comment_122851758

    Yep, the Sellafield solution, works every time!*

    *For those not as chronologically well endowed as me, a nuclear waste re-processing plant in Cumbria was for years the subject of public outrage over environmental concerns. It was renamed Sellafield - hey presto, no more Windscale problems!



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    #1718
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭emo72


    Mick Wallace asked on morning Ireland this morning, where would you put A/S IPAs in his constituency, and his answer was there was nowhere for them to go. And it's true, when you are putting people into tents in fields, that's defacto full. How anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me. putting people into fields, for Gods sake, how did it get to this?



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    #1719
    Ozvaldo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851033#Comment_122851033

    The insanity of this post is quite remarkable.

    Quite remarkable.

    Indeed.



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    #1720
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852082#Comment_122852082

    Really? You should get on to those that work in the industry, they must not know what they are talking about.…....



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    #1721
    Ozvaldo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852087#Comment_122852087

    Back to ignore bye

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


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    #1722
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851854#Comment_122851854

    Makes zero sense for me. I don't support Aontu on all issues like I don't support or disagree with any party on all issues. Aontu will get my vote because of the pathetic stance on immigration and refugees from all the rest.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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    #1723
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852111#Comment_122852111

    Have to agree. As it stands, I will hold my nose and vote Aontu in this one. Will do some more research but that's where I am at the moment.



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    #1724
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852111#Comment_122852111

    That's fair enough, everyone is entitled to their vote. Personally I wouldn't ever vote for a party that wants to send women in this country back to the 1950s, stripping them of rights etc.



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    #1725
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852124#Comment_122852124

    Do you feel that voters hatred for asylum seekers will be greater then their belief in women's rights?



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    #1726
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852196#Comment_122852196

    Now now, less with the emotive language.

    I don't hate asylum seekers. I hate the policy which allows people to abuse the system. I hate the fact that we don't have a rigourous and fair system in place.

    I am more concerned about the immigration system which we have in place than I am with abortion.

    And to be honest, women's rights doesn't end with abortion. It's again emotive language. Abortion also effects men too.

    Most people who pretend to champion "women's rights" are the very people who hesitate to answer what a woman actually is.



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    #1727
    mikethecop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852061#Comment_122852061

    Mick wouldn't know about the existing IPAS enters in wexford sure , he only has eyes for moscow ,

    Im sure if the field was owned by mick or his brother and he was getting a few million a year he would be happy enough.

    the accommodations at IPAS centers are a disgrace , we are not capable of facilitating them so why are we still accepting them ? not deporting those who need deporting ?

    All we are really lacking in this matter is the will to act



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    #1728
    Everlong1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851261#Comment_122851261

    And you know this how? They've never been in Government so for now we can only take them at their word.



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    #1729
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852213#Comment_122852213

    I never suggested you did. I merely asked your opinion on what the electorate might feel.

    While women's rights don't end with abortion, women have their own rights over their own body and medical options is very much an important part of women's rights. I can't imagine anything slightly similar for men.

    Anyway,that's just my opinion, I'm not willing to see women's rights eroded in order to keep a few thousand foreigners out of the country.



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    #1730
    j62
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852061#Comment_122852061

    This is the same guy who repeatedly voted while he was in Brussels to prevent anything being done about his Russian puppet masters whom have created millions of refugees that ended up in Europe from Syria to Ukraine



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    #1731
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852263#Comment_122852263

    I suspect, are you more of an á-la-carte womens rights activist? You also hold the opinion that a man can be a woman in the same way an illegal immigrant can become an asylum seeker?

    In essence, the shift in feeling around the country is changing. People are less hesitant to vocalise what they previously were scared to say.

    I hope to see some noticiable change but the government seem to be digging their heels in and there are a few useful idiots who are championing their cause, but sooner rather than later, we will reach a tipping point.



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    #1732
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852124#Comment_122852124

    The good news is no matter a party's stance it would have to go to a referendum to reverse the changes so we can safely so abortions won't be getting banned.

    Now if only they'd put our refugee policy to a referendum. They're terrified to let the people decide what international obligations we're really obliged to uphold!

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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    #1733
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,938 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Standing up for women's rights but supporting the rights of 1000's of undocumented male immigrants to come into Ireland from 3rd world countries where women have NO rights… Unbelievable! A-la-carte Socialists eh?



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    #1734
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852304#Comment_122852304

    suspect, are you more of an á-la-carte womens rights activist? 

    You suspect absolutely wrong. I am a woman. My rights are extremely important to me.

    An illegal immigrant becomes an asylum seeker, by seeking asylum. It's an immigration status change. In the same way as a US citizen who lives here decides to become an Irish citizen. It's a status change.



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    #1735
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852325#Comment_122852325

    Why do you think it would have to go to referendum?

    We had to have a referendum to change the constitution, because it gave the foetus the same legal standing as the living mother.

    The constitution has been changed. Any further changes in the termination laws are for government to do. Nothing to do with you or me or any of us



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    #1736
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Also @RoyalCelt , can you please explain what constitutional changes could be needed in order to vote in immigration?



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    #1737
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852344#Comment_122852344

    I honestly don't think I am wrong. Unless you think that being a woman is a biological fact and not something that biological men can be.

    An illegal immigrant has no longer done something illegal if he claims asylum? So a person who ILLEGALLY entered the country suddenly is no longer ILLEGAL because they claim asylum, despite entering the country illegally?

    So legality is based purely on a claim.

    I'm not blaming the person doing it. Why wouldn't they? You'd be a fool not to take advantage of our stupid system. I blame the people who allow it and the idiots who champion it.



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    #1738
    aero2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭aero2k


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852356#Comment_122852356

    The constitution has been changed. Any further changes in the termination laws are for government to do. Nothing to do with you or me or any of us

    Well, we elect the government, (albeit indirectly) so it's everything to do with us. The government has been known to take public opinion into account when legislating. And, while we mightn't be able to prevent a minister from enacting a law we don't agree with, we can remember it next time there's an election. Not perfect, but it's something.



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    #1739
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852370#Comment_122852370

    We will no longer take in any refugees until at least the year 2040 and thereafter a maximum of 5,000 refugees a year. For special cases like the Ukrainian war another referendum would be needed.

    All persons entering the country without identification or from another safe country to be deported.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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    #1740
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,938 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852344#Comment_122852344

    There's a huge difference between a U.S citizen who decides to legally naturalise here and someone who comes here without documents!!

    For starters the U.S citizen will have to show:

    • Your criminal record
    • Driving offences you may have committed
    • Ongoing investigations against you
    • Pending criminal cases (that haven’t been heard in court yet)
    • Cautions or other warnings you have received from the Gardaí
    • Certain civil cases (for example, if you were subject to a barring order)


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    #1741
    Lotus Flower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852087#Comment_122852087

    But you’re cherry picking what you believe from people who work in the industry. Those in the industry have also said that the increase in AS has contributed to the decline. In reality there are several factors but the huge increase in AS is of course going to contribute to the decline. They are taking up beds that tourists would normally take and they are not spending money on eating out etc the way tourists normally do

    This is just common sense



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